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From: Greg Pavlicek gndpav san rr on 3 Jul 2008 11:18
Word currently will 'break' text to the next line on a space or a hyphen.
Can this list of characters be added to? We have a need to break large
multi-chemical names where the text contains a /, and we would like Word to
also break text on that /, just like it would if we entered
"first-second-third-fourth" except that we are working with
"first/second/third/fourth". Thanks !!!
From: Suzanne S. Barnhill on 3 Jul 2008 11:37
Use the No-Width Optional Break from the Special Characters tab of Insert |
Symbol. Note that it has a rather strange appearance if you have nonprinting
characters displayed.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA

"Greg Pavlicek" <gndpav (at) san (dot) rr (dot) comercial> wrote in message
news:B590290E-BC3B-416F-82E4-AEBCBE6E6FBA(a)microsoft.com...
> Word currently will 'break' text to the next line on a space or a hyphen.
> Can this list of characters be added to? We have a need to break large
> multi-chemical names where the text contains a /, and we would like Word
> to
> also break text on that /, just like it would if we entered
> "first-second-third-fourth" except that we are working with
> "first/second/third/fourth". Thanks !!!
>


From: Klaus Linke on 3 Jul 2008 12:57
"Suzanne S. Barnhill" <sbarnhill(a)mvps.org> wrote:
> Use the No-Width Optional Break from the Special Characters tab of Insert
> | Symbol. Note that it has a rather strange appearance if you have
> nonprinting characters displayed.

Also note that both Word 2003 and 2007 don't actually insert a no-width
optional break (or "zero width space" as everybody but MS calls it: U+200B),
but a zero width non-joiner (U+200C).

http://www.unicode.org/versions/Unicode4.0.0/ch15.pdf
"The U+200B "zero width space" indicates a word boundary, except that it has
no width.
[...] The zero-width spaces are not to be confused with zero-width joiner
characters. U+200C "zero width non-joiner" and U+200D "zero width joiner"
have no effect on word boundaries"
The latter two "provide a way to influence joining and ligature glyph
selection".

Microsoft's naming and usage seem wrong to me. I think I bugged it in the
Wd2007 Beta, but it wasn't fixed.
The only change that was made is that both characters now look the same.
Formerly, U+200C had a different look, with non-printing characters
displayed. At least that was the case in Word 2000...

Klaus

From: Suzanne S. Barnhill on 3 Jul 2008 13:59
I remembered that Word doesn't insert the actual "zero width space," but I
can never remember the Unicode numbers for these things, much less the
rationale of them. I figured you'd come along behind me and clean up the
mess. <g> But now that I read the distinction, I'm wondering, in the case of
a URL, wouldn't you want the space NOT to be considered a word
boundary--that is, the entire URL is a single word?

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA

"Klaus Linke" <info(a)fotosatz-kaufmann.de> wrote in message
news:ur1IW3S3IHA.1196(a)TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> "Suzanne S. Barnhill" <sbarnhill(a)mvps.org> wrote:
>> Use the No-Width Optional Break from the Special Characters tab of Insert
>> | Symbol. Note that it has a rather strange appearance if you have
>> nonprinting characters displayed.
>
> Also note that both Word 2003 and 2007 don't actually insert a no-width
> optional break (or "zero width space" as everybody but MS calls it:
> U+200B), but a zero width non-joiner (U+200C).
>
> http://www.unicode.org/versions/Unicode4.0.0/ch15.pdf
> "The U+200B "zero width space" indicates a word boundary, except that it
> has no width.
> [...] The zero-width spaces are not to be confused with zero-width joiner
> characters. U+200C "zero width non-joiner" and U+200D "zero width joiner"
> have no effect on word boundaries"
> The latter two "provide a way to influence joining and ligature glyph
> selection".
>
> Microsoft's naming and usage seem wrong to me. I think I bugged it in the
> Wd2007 Beta, but it wasn't fixed.
> The only change that was made is that both characters now look the same.
> Formerly, U+200C had a different look, with non-printing characters
> displayed. At least that was the case in Word 2000...
>
> Klaus


From: Klaus Linke on 3 Jul 2008 14:54
"Suzanne S. Barnhill" <sbarnhill(a)mvps.org> wrote:
>I remembered that Word doesn't insert the actual "zero width space," but I
>can never remember the Unicode numbers for these things, much less the
>rationale of them. I figured you'd come along behind me and clean up the
>mess. <g>

There wasn't anything wrong with what you wrote.

I'm no expert, just trying to guess how things should be from the Unicode
documentation I quoted :-)

> But now that I read the distinction, I'm wondering, in the case of a URL,
> wouldn't you want the space NOT to be considered a word boundary--that is,
> the entire URL is a single word?

From what I understand, a word boundary (in the Unicode Standard) is pretty
much by definition a place where you can have a line break.
It is something notoriously ambiguous though. Even inside Word, for example,
VBA has a one idea of what a "word" is, "Tools > Word count" has another
(arriving at a different word count for the same text).

Klaus

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