Algebra Rizing
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From: His kennyness on 29 Jun 2010 13:01 On 06/29/2010 11:43 AM, John G Harris wrote: > On Tue, 29 Jun 2010 at 09:06:47, in comp.lang.javascript, Kenneth Tilton > wrote: > > <snip> >> Nice bug report. No browser, no OS... > <snip> > > It gets javascript errors for me as well. (More than one). Errors or are you see the logging to the console I forgot to take out? Does the app come up and let you do Algebra? > > Hint: > It's the browser that Microsoft security updates recommend. > It's the browser that's being heavily advertised in magazines and > newspapers. > > And it's XP SP3. I just tested on XP Pro 2002 SP3 with IE, no problems. But I really should get those console.logs out of there. thx for the report. kt
From: His kennyness on 29 Jun 2010 13:10 On 06/29/2010 12:29 PM, Richard Cornford wrote: > On Jun 29, 4:09 pm, His kennyness wrote: >> On 06/29/2010 10:28 AM, Richard Cornford wrote: >>> On Jun 29, 2:06 pm, Kenneth Tilton wrote: >>>> Richard Cornford wrote: >>>>> On Jun 29, 11:43 am, Kenneth Tilton wrote: >>>>>> Now you can ask for hints (and a bunch more is fixed): >> >>>>>> http://teamalgebra.com/ >>>>> <snip> >> >>>>> OK, what is the point of positing to a javascript group >>>>> a link to a web page ... >> >>>> It is based on qooxlisp, a great JS library, is the point. >> >>> The point you are making about qooxlisp is probably not the >>> point you think you are making. >> >> Sorry, I meant qooxdoo. qooxlisp is my integration of Lisp >> and qooxdoo. > > Alright, the point you think you are making about qooxdoo is probably > not the point that you are making. > >>>> that produces a javascript error before it even finishes >> >>>> Works for me on Chrome, FireFox, Safari, and IE. And slowly >>>> on Opera. >> >>> That seems to be an exaggeration. >> >> No luck with Konqueror. Or Opera. FireFox and Chrome are fine >> on Ubuntu. > > See, as you get more specific the list gets shorter. I'll struggle along without selling to people who cannot use FireFox, Chrome, Safari, and IE as long as I can. > >>>>> loading (that being a total failure by any javascript standard)? >>>>> That error being:- >> >>>>> Line: 5180 >>>>> Char: 9 >>>>> Error: Image modification not possible because elements could not >>>>> be replaced at runtime anymore! >>>>> Code: 0 >>>>> URL:http://temoalgebra.com/ >> >>>> What the hell is temoalgebra? Try:http://teamalgebra.com/ >> >>> It is a typo. >> >>>> Nice bug report. No browser, no OS... >> >>> What has the OS got to do with anything? >> >> Oh, right, the same browser on different OSes always works exactly >> the same. > > Yes, to the extent that they are the same browser. > >> Not a programmer, eh? > > If you say so. > >>> And there is only one browser that outputs its error reports in >>> that style (which means that only someone who was not looking at >>> their error reports would not recognise it (which would also be >>> someone who thought something was fine while it was generating >>> errors)). >> >>>>> (It is a custom error, presumably produced by whatever library >>>>> you are using, but what on earth is that "anymore" about? A >>>>> browser either can replace elements at runtime or it cannot; >>>>> it is not a faculty that comes and goes). >> >>>>> And don't you think that a 2.5 MB download is a little excessive >>>>> for a single web page (even if it were actually functional)? >> >>>> Last I looked it was ~800k >> >>> It sounds like you are not measuring your HTTP traffic very >>> effectively. >> >> What I measured was the 2s it took for the app to come up. Case >> closed. > > Returning to the point of your post; wasn't there some intention to > make that point to a wider audience? > >>>> and the "single web page" is the entire web >>>> application >> >>> That is probably a mater of perspective. >> >> No, that is how it works. > > I ma talking about the label. You show me a broken toy and call it an > "application", I don't see it that way. Hey, it's just a POC right now, and pretty damn exciting to anyone who knows the desktop app and knows how little time it is taking me to get a similar GUI up under all the browsers that matter. The big win was jsMath, which took care of the math layout which I used to do (badly) myself. > >> After the page loads it's all the JS sailing >> back and forth altering what the user sees. >> >> You should talk less and learn more. > > Possibly I should learn to identify those who are not capable of > listening more quickly. > >>>> (which was 40mb as a desltop app). >> >>>> Kids will work on Algebra for 10-50 minutes at a time, they'll >>>> wait 2-3s. >> >>> 35 seconds here for an initial load, .. >> >> I get 2s no matter where I try it, so I will just ignore your >> report unless you have a stack to report as well. > > A somewhat arbitrary reason for ignoring someone (though I doubt that > it will be followed through). Sorry, we call this triage: someone making un-reproducible reports of behavior 20 times slower than is observed elsewhere has to be ignored until I can outsource your call to India. kt
From: His kennyness on 29 Jun 2010 13:11 On 06/29/2010 11:49 AM, Evertjan. wrote: > John G Harris wrote on 29 jun 2010 in comp.lang.javascript: > >> It's the browser that Microsoft security updates recommend. >> It's the browser that's being heavily advertised in magazines and >> newspapers. >> >> And it's XP SP3. > > That's not a browser. > > I requested as much info as possible so I could try to reproduce. kt
From: John G Harris on 29 Jun 2010 14:29 On Tue, 29 Jun 2010 at 15:49:47, in comp.lang.javascript, Evertjan. wrote: >John G Harris wrote on 29 jun 2010 in comp.lang.javascript: > >> It's the browser that Microsoft security updates recommend. >> It's the browser that's being heavily advertised in magazines and >> newspapers. >> >> And it's XP SP3. > >That's not a browser. Nor is it an operating system :-) John -- John Harris
From: John G Harris on 29 Jun 2010 14:37
On Tue, 29 Jun 2010 at 13:01:53, in comp.lang.javascript, His kennyness wrote: >On 06/29/2010 11:43 AM, John G Harris wrote: >> On Tue, 29 Jun 2010 at 09:06:47, in comp.lang.javascript, Kenneth Tilton >> wrote: >> >> <snip> >>> Nice bug report. No browser, no OS... >> <snip> >> >> It gets javascript errors for me as well. (More than one). > >Errors or are you see the logging to the console I forgot to take out? Errors. >Does the app come up and let you do Algebra? Can't tell. What is it supposed to do? >> Hint: >> It's the browser that Microsoft security updates recommend. >> It's the browser that's being heavily advertised in magazines and >> newspapers. >> >> And it's XP SP3. > >I just tested on XP Pro 2002 SP3 with IE, no problems. Which IE ? John -- John Harris |