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From: Bob on 5 May 2008 09:14
I'm a newbie waiting on his first iMac to be delivered so please excuse me
if this is a dumb question.

Will running Parallels in addition to having a Bootcamp partition of Windows
significantly add to the hard drive space allotment required?

My impression of Bootcamp and Parallels was that Bootcamp was basically a
partitioning application and not much more and that any of the
virtualization packages (Parallels, Fusion) would basically use the data on
the Windows partition (created by Bootcamp) to integrate it with OS X. But
after some additional (mis)reading, and not knowing much more about the
respective software, I'm getting the impression that the virtualization
packages create their own, um, separate disk image (?) or whatever, in
essence, doubling up on hard drive space required.

If that is true, how much additional hard drive space would Parallels use?

Thanks.


From: Claude V. Lucas on 5 May 2008 09:26
In article <12594$481f085b$483144f0$31434(a)FUSE.NET>,
Bob <no(a)mailplease.com> wrote:
>I'm a newbie waiting on his first iMac to be delivered so please excuse me
>if this is a dumb question.
>
>Will running Parallels in addition to having a Bootcamp partition of Windows
>significantly add to the hard drive space allotment required?
>
>My impression of Bootcamp and Parallels was that Bootcamp was basically a
>partitioning application and not much more and that any of the
>virtualization packages (Parallels, Fusion) would basically use the data on
>the Windows partition (created by Bootcamp) to integrate it with OS X. But
>after some additional (mis)reading, and not knowing much more about the
>respective software, I'm getting the impression that the virtualization
>packages create their own, um, separate disk image (?) or whatever, in
>essence, doubling up on hard drive space required.

Your first impression is correct.

No doubling.

Whatever you allocate for your Windows partition in Boot Camp is it.

I'm using 40Gb for Vista, but probably could get
by with 30 for my limited needs.

>
>If that is true, how much additional hard drive space would Parallels use?
>

I dont know about Parallels, but Fusion uses ~131Mb for itself.
Maybe some more somewhere for caches, but not a significant amount.

The pain, for me is backing up the Windows partition. I use
Super Duper to clone the internal hard drive to an external,
but it is not Windows friendly. I also have an 40Gb Windows
partition on the external and it is necessary to actually
boot Windows in order to use the Windows backup utility.

For some reason the Windows backup utility doesn't properly
recognize the external drive while running under Fusion,
although I haven't tried it since the Fusion update that
came out in the last couple of days...
From: Bob on 5 May 2008 12:28
Thanks for the reply.

I have a related question. I have read posts that say Parallels *can* use
the Bootcamp partition, but it seems like one does not have to. I asks this
because I was originally thinking (before I had any idea what was involved)
of having a partition for XP for my older applications and one for Vista to
get some of the added features that come with some app run in Vista (like
Quicken has) but it doesn't look like Bootcamp supports a third partition as
far as I can tell, so ...

Can Parallels install an OS without need of another partition (which I
understand could only be used virtually) and will it work normally, meaning
I can install applications and use peripherals normally, I just can't boot
to it directly?

I was thinking of using XP under Bootcamp and just run Vista virtually. Or
would the reverse be better? And can you back up the data of a virtual-run
OS to an external hard drive?

Thanks






"Claude V. Lucas" <claudel(a)sonic.net> wrote in message
news:481f0b0d$0$34542$742ec2ed(a)news.sonic.net...
> In article <12594$481f085b$483144f0$31434(a)FUSE.NET>,
> Bob <no(a)mailplease.com> wrote:
>>I'm a newbie waiting on his first iMac to be delivered so please excuse me
>>if this is a dumb question.
>>
>>Will running Parallels in addition to having a Bootcamp partition of
>>Windows
>>significantly add to the hard drive space allotment required?
>>
>>My impression of Bootcamp and Parallels was that Bootcamp was basically a
>>partitioning application and not much more and that any of the
>>virtualization packages (Parallels, Fusion) would basically use the data
>>on
>>the Windows partition (created by Bootcamp) to integrate it with OS X. But
>>after some additional (mis)reading, and not knowing much more about the
>>respective software, I'm getting the impression that the virtualization
>>packages create their own, um, separate disk image (?) or whatever, in
>>essence, doubling up on hard drive space required.
>
> Your first impression is correct.
>
> No doubling.
>
> Whatever you allocate for your Windows partition in Boot Camp is it.
>
> I'm using 40Gb for Vista, but probably could get
> by with 30 for my limited needs.
>
>>
>>If that is true, how much additional hard drive space would Parallels use?
>>
>
> I dont know about Parallels, but Fusion uses ~131Mb for itself.
> Maybe some more somewhere for caches, but not a significant amount.
>
> The pain, for me is backing up the Windows partition. I use
> Super Duper to clone the internal hard drive to an external,
> but it is not Windows friendly. I also have an 40Gb Windows
> partition on the external and it is necessary to actually
> boot Windows in order to use the Windows backup utility.
>
> For some reason the Windows backup utility doesn't properly
> recognize the external drive while running under Fusion,
> although I haven't tried it since the Fusion update that
> came out in the last couple of days...


From: Richard Maine on 5 May 2008 13:39
Michelle Steiner <michelle(a)michelle.org> wrote:

> In article <2f8f7$481f33d1$483144f0$4488(a)FUSE.NET>,
> "Bob" <no(a)mailplease.com> wrote:
>
> > I have a related question. I have read posts that say Parallels *can*
> > use the Bootcamp partition, but it seems like one does not have to.
>
> Exactly. In fact, the original version of Parallels could not use the
> Boot Camp partition at all.
>
> > Can Parallels install an OS without need of another partition (which
> > I understand could only be used virtually) and will it work normally,
> > meaning I can install applications and use peripherals normally, I
> > just can't boot to it directly?
>
> Absolutely. That's what it was originally designed for; as I wrote
> above, using the Boot Camp partition was a later enhancement.

In fact, some benchmarks have shown the disk I/O to be faster if you
don't use the BootCamp partition in Parallels. Really, the only reason
to use BootCamp is if you sometimes need the extra performance that you
get from booting it directly. The two big reasons you might need to boot
directly are

1. Games. Most games don't do well (or at all) under virtualization.
That has gotten better recently, but "better" means that it is now
pretty bad, while it used to be worse than that.

2. Memory. If you are doing something reallt memory-intensive, you'll
have more memory (namely all of it) available if you boot directly with
BootCamp.

I happen to have 2 copies of WIndows installed (you can do that, but you
don't have to). I've got a copy installed in BootCamp for games, and
I've got a separate VMware copy for "serious" stuff (notably Quicken).
I'm currently using VMware, but I used to use Parallels; they are
largely the same in this regard.

--
Richard Maine | Good judgement comes from experience;
email: last name at domain . net | experience comes from bad judgement.
domain: summertriangle | -- Mark Twain
From: steveballmer on 5 May 2008 22:25
On May 5, 9:14 am, "Bob" <n...(a)mailplease.com> wrote:
> I'm a newbie waiting on his first iMac to be delivered so please excuse me
> if this is a dumb question.
>
> Will running Parallels in addition to having a Bootcamp partition of Windows
> significantly add to the hard drive space allotment required?
>
> My impression of Bootcamp and Parallels was that Bootcamp was basically a
> partitioning application and not much more and that any of the
> virtualization packages (Parallels, Fusion) would basically use the data on
> the Windows partition (created by Bootcamp) to integrate it with OS X. But
> after some additional (mis)reading, and not knowing much more about the
> respective software, I'm getting the impression that the virtualization
> packages create their own, um, separate disk image (?) or whatever, in
> essence, doubling up on hard drive space required.
>
> If that is true, how much additional hard drive space would Parallels use?
>
> Thanks.

You really should have bought a dell dude!

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