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From: billy on 4 May 2008 21:13 Jolly Roger <jollyroger(a)pobox.com> writes: > So who is usually in charge of these things? Obviously, this is way out > of date and could use refinement and additions. http://www.big-8.org/dokuwiki/doku.php | Mission Statement | | The Big-8 Management Board: | | * creates well-named, well-used newsgroups in the Big-8 | Usenet hierarchies; | * makes necessary adjustments to existing groups; | * removes groups that are not well-used; and | * assists and encourages the support of a canonical Big-8 | newsgroup list by Usenet sites. Billy Y..
From: billy on 4 May 2008 18:54 Jolly Roger <jollyroger(a)pobox.com> writes: > Not that that fact isn't already blatantly obvious to *me*, but does > this news group, or any other CSM* news group, for that matter, have a > charter posted somewhere? I don't recall one ever being done for this particular group. See the the first item (CFVs) below, which is, as far as I recall, as close as it ever got. As well, this was once considered a bogus group. See the second item (various control messages for this group) below. For those who have trouble reading, here's the pertinent text extracted: Proposal 2: Creation of comp.sys.mac.system. This will be for discussion of Macintosh system software -- the system, finder, multifinder, CDEVs, INITs and other Apple and third party system software and extensions. If anyone can produce an actual charter, I'd enjoy seeing it.... Billy Y.. >From chuq(a)apple.com Tue Feb 18 00:12:43 1992 Flags: 000000000201 >From: chuq(a)apple.com (Chuq Von Rospach) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.sys.mac Subject: Call For Discussion: comp.sys.mac reorganization Date: 19 Feb 90 20:53:04 GMT Followup-To: news.groups Organization: Fictional Reality: where your dreams can come true Lines: 162 Keywords: posted This is an official call for discussions on reorganizing the comp.sys.mac hierarchy. After much preliminary discussion about ways to deal with the overloading of comp.sys.mac, we've decided that we need to do something more than just create a new group, but instead try to reorganize the structure in a more radical way that won't require further tuning in two or three months. NOTE: The proposal, as written, does not fully conform to current guidelines for newsgroup creation. This was done after great thought because it was felt that what needed to be done to c.s.m simply couldn't be done successfully by staying within the guidelines in a timely manner. Gene Spafford, Greg Woods and I all feel the variations are appropriate for the situation, but I also feel that this exceptions should also have the general approval of the net, so I'm calling for a survey on whether the proposal is acceptable. PLEASE READ THE ENTIRE CALL FOR DISCUSSION AND THE PRELIMINARY PROPOSAL. If you feel the proposed voting scheme for the reorganization is appropriate or inappropriate, send mail to 'chuq(a)apple.com' with either a 'yes' or a 'no' to the proposal structure. If the majority of people responding to this survey vote 'yes' then the official call for votes will have the structure proposed here. If the majority of responses are negative, the proposal will be structured to match current guidelines as a series of call for votes, although that is expected to stretch the implementation time significantly. Either way, if you have an opinion about the acceptability of the proposal, please send it to me for inclusion in the survey. The results of the survey will be binding on the form of the final proposal and call for votes. This proposal is written as a series of suggested group changes or creations. They are being sent out as a single proposal, but each group will be voted on separately. This will allow the user community to choose which sections of the proposal they want implemented, rather than forcing an all or nothing situation. Additionally, I am proposing that, during the Call For Discussion phase we are now entering, a secondary survey for additional changes be held. If there is a group or change that you feel should be made to comp.sys.mac that isn't in this preliminary proposal, you can e-mail that suggestion to me. If I get 100 requests for a group, I will add it to the voting of the final proposal. If I get fewer than 100 requests, I'll post it in a list when the voting is finished as groups proposed for future additions, but they will not be part of the official vote. (in other words, if there is a group you want added to the final vote, you should send me e-mail requesting it AND discuss it in news.groups to convince others to do so as well.). If the survey on the guidelines variations fails, this proposal will be restructures as a series of independent votes on one issue of the proposal at a time. The effective change is that it will take a lot longer to implement and require everyone to send in multiple votes, one for each issue, rather than a single piece of e-mail with votes covering all issues -- a lot more work over a longer time to get the same thing done. One final note: I'm specifically ignoring comp.sources.mac and comp.binaries.mac in these proposals and focusing only on comp.sys.mac. There have been some discussions of splitting or reorganizing c.b.m recently, but (1) I think it would be premature to place any changes to a vote at this time, and (2) I think fixing c.s.m is complex enough issue to deal with as it is without adding in the complexities of the other hierarchies. I also believe that changes to moderated groups should be organized by the moderator, so I leave these hierarchies to someone else to work with. Please send your survey comments about the structure of this proposal (positive or negative) and requests for additional groups in this proposal to me at "chuq(a)apple.com". Because of the complexity of this proposal and some personal scheduling requirements I'm running a somewhat extended discussion period: discussion of this proposal and vote counting for the surveys will run until March 17, 1990 with the call for votes being issued the week of March 19. Please route all discussion to news.groups and keep it out of c.s.m -- it's noisy enough as it is (which is the whole point of the proposal). Now, to the reorganization proposals themselves. Remember, in the call for votes each proposal will be voted upon separately, and depending on the results of the survey there might be additional groups to be voted upon: Proposal 1: rename comp.sys.mac to comp.sys.mac.misc. This will be in multiple stages: the creation of comp.sys.mac.misc, followed a few weeks later by the rmgroup of comp.sys.mac and the addition of a usenet alias to the new group to forward misdirected messages. This will bring c.s.m into the same standardized naming as other hierarchies, and it should also discourage some of the cross-posting between c.s.m and sub-groups that happens when people think they should put it in the parent group just in case. Proposal 2: Creation of comp.sys.mac.os. This will be for discussion of Macintosh system software -- the system, finder, multifinder, CDEVs, INITs and other Apple and third party Operating System software and its extensions. Proposal 3: Creation of comp.sys.mac.appl. This will be for discussion of Macintosh applications. The naming of this group has created a fair amount of discussion, ranging between app and applications. I've chosen appl for a couple of reasons: (1) for people with a knowledge of Macintosh this term won't be ambiguous, since it is the signature byte of applications (it should also be obvious enough in context to not be ambiguous to complete novices); and (2) I see this as the root of a sub-hierarchy, and the thought of typing comp.sys.mac.applications.wordprocessing is painful and I think it would be unacceptable to many users -- the shorter name will encourage future expansions rather than discourage them. Proposal 4: renaming comp.sys.mac.hypercard to comp.sys.mac.appl.hypercard. To standardize naming in the new scheme. Technically, since Apple computer considers Hypercard system software it should be c.s.m.os.hypercard, but I don't believe most users agree with that thinking. Proposal 5: creation of comp.sys.mac.wanted. A place for the "I'm missing part five of..." or "I need a program that does..." or "Where can I get a good price on..." messages. There was some discussion of creating a sister group c.s.m.forsale, but for sale messages really should be encouraged to go into a regional group and not a net-wide group. Welcome to comp.sys.mac document: In parallel with this proposal, Geoff Allen <pmafire!geoff(a)uunet.UU.NET> is writing an "introduction to the comp.sys.mac hierarchy document. This document will be posted on a regular basis (and updated when needed) and will document the different groups in the hierarchy and what type of messages should be posted where. It or a sister posting will also include answers to common questions. This posting should also help reduce cross-posting, confusion and the constant re-introduction of certain topics. Rejected proposals: This is a short list of proposals considered that I've rejected and why: o c.s.m.fonts: discussion should be in comp.fonts o c.s.m.desktop: desktop publishing discussion should be in comp.text.desktop o c.s.m.d (or c.s.m.futures): I wasn't convinced it was a viable long-term discussion. With the proper splitting of the other topics, it should fit appropriately in c.s.m.misc. talk.politics.apple was also considered. o c.s.m.viruses: discussion should be in comp.virus o c.s.m.reviews: there isn't enough traffic to justify, and it would have to be moderated to prevent lots of noise. o c.s.m.{db,comm,spreadsheet,wordprocessing,et al}: these should be considered as sub-groups of the c.s.m.appl hierarchy and we should wait and see how traffic in that area works out before considering splitting it further. That's it. Five proposals, two renamed groups and three creations (two of which should be considered roots for sub-hierarchies that can be created as needed). Again, please respond to the survey about the format of this proposal, and if you have groups you feel ought to be added to the proposal. All discussion should take place in news.groups, not in the c.s.m group. thanks to: Cory Kempf, D. K. Smith, Dan Veditz, Dave Smith, Gail Zacharias, Geoff Allen, John Macdonald, John R. Delaney, Larry E. Kollar, Mark M Mehl, Piper Keairnes, Randy Futor, capmkt!bandy, fleming(a)cup.portal.com, sklein(a)cdp.UUCP, among others, for their feedback, suggestions and advice on building this proposal. chuq -- Chuq Von Rospach <+> chuq(a)apple.com <+> [This is myself speaking] Rumour has it that Larry Wall, author of RN, is a finalist in the race for the Nobel Peace Prize for his invention of the kill file. >From chuq(a)apple.com Tue Feb 18 00:30:38 1992 Flags: 000000000201 Date: Sun, 11 Mar 90 20:18:57 -0800 >From: Chuq Von Rospach <chuq(a)apple.com> Subject: CALL FOR VOTES: reorganization of comp.sys.mac Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.sys.mac Reply-to: chuq(a)apple.com Followup-to: poster Keywords: posted [This is a bit late, so some of the dates may be wrong. I am posting this announcement at Wed Mar 14 17:59:56 PST 1990. Especially if you read on of the groups involved, please read this proposal carefully before taking action. In particular, note that a number of mac groups AREN'T moving.-eliot] ---- This is the official Call for Votes on the Comp.Sys.Mac hierarchy reorganization. Votes will be taken from the date posted on news.announce.newgroups through April 6, 1990 or for 21 days from posting, whichever is longer. This vote was mailed to news.announce.newgroup on March 12, 1990. Please vote on each proposal separately. You may vote 'yes', 'no' or 'abstain/no preference' (or use whatever terms you want for these as long as they're non-ambiguous). Please use the following format: Proposal 1: abstain Proposal 2: abstain Proposal 3: abstain Proposal 5: abstain Proposal 6: abstain Proposal 7: abstain Proposal 9: abstain Mail your votes to 'chuq(a)apple.com'. I will count them and report back to the net on the results of each separate voting item. Votes on each item will be counted by the standard 'delta-100' guidelines. These proposals are being voted on: Proposal 1: rename comp.sys.mac to comp.sys.mac.misc. This will be in multiple stages: the creation of comp.sys.mac.misc, followed a month later by the rmgroup of comp.sys.mac and the addition of a usenet alias to the new group to forward misdirected messages. This will bring c.s.m into the same standardized naming as other hierarchies, and it should also discourage some of the cross-posting between c.s.m and sub-groups that happens when people think they should put it in the parent group just in case. Proposal 2: Creation of comp.sys.mac.system. This will be for discussion of Macintosh system software -- the system, finder, multifinder, CDEVs, INITs and other Apple and third party system software and extensions. Proposal 3: Creation of comp.sys.mac.apps. This will be for discussion of Macintosh applications -- word processors, databases, etc -- that do not have a more appropriate group in the hierarchy (for instance, c.s.m.programmer for development tools, c.s.m.hypercard for hypercard, the proposed c.s.m.comm for telecommunication programs) Proposal 4: [[cancelled. was c.s.m.apps.hierarchy. With no .apps sub-hierarchy, proposal is obsolete]] Proposal 5: creation of comp.sys.mac.wanted. A place for the "I'm missing part five of..." or "I need a program that does..." or "Where can I get a good price on..." messages. Proposal 6: Creation of group comp.sys.mac.games. A group for the discussion of Macintosh computer games. Proposal 7: Creation of group comp.sys.mac.comm. A group for the discussion of telecommunication and networking software and programs: Red Ryder, Microphone, Appleshare, etc. Proposal 8: [[Cancelled. Was c.s.m.virus]] Proposal 9: Creation of group comp.sys.mac.announce, to be created moderated. Moderator to be appointed at some future time. Designed to be a low-volume, high-content group for distribution of information, regular postings (like the "where to find...", and "introduction to comp.sys.mac" documents, postings like virus alerts and other forms of information (product announcements? press releases?) to be determined. No changes: comp.sys.mac.programmer, comp.sys.mac.digest, comp.sys.mac.hardware, comp.sys.mac.hypercard. >From chuq(a)apple.com Tue Feb 18 00:35:46 1992 Flags: 000000000201 >From: chuq(a)apple.com (Chuq Von Rospach) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups Subject: comp.sys.mac.reorg: mass acknowledgement 3/19/90 Date: 19 Mar 90 16:50:16 GMT Organization: Fictional Reality: where your dreams can come true Followup-to: news.groups Keywords: posted Here is a list of all addresses voting on the c.s.m reorg as of 3/19/90 (AM). If you sent me your vote and it's not here, please contact me. Note that I haven't checked for duplicate or invalid addresses or counted votes yet. chuq ---- >From: 090091(a)essdp1 (Galen Gisler, Los Alamos, Space Plasma Physics) >From: 6600pete%ucsbuxa(a)hub.ucsb.edu (GurgleKat [Pete Gontier]) >From: 6sceng!blm(a)beaver.cs.washington.edu (Brian Matthews) >From: aanerud(a)src.honeywell.com (Tim Aanerud) >From: Adele Evans <ADELE(a)AC.DAL.CA> >From: ajb(a)CS.BROWN.EDU >From: ajq(a)mace.cc.purdue.edu (John O'Malley) >From: Alfred von Campe 16-Mar-1990 1348 <avoncampe(a)milkwy.enet.dec.com> >From: Amanda Walker <amanda(a)intercon.com> >From: amara!tom(a)sharkey.cc.umich.edu (Tom Doehne) >From: amdcad!pepsi!cdr (Carl Rigney) >From: ames!pacbell!ptsfa!fab >From: anamaria(a)violet.berkeley.edu (Peter Rauch) >From: anderson(a)sapir.COG.JHU.EDU (Stephen R. Anderson) >From: anderss(a)tvo1 >From: anders(a)Verity.Com (Anders Wallgren x7652) >From: "Andreas J. 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Shull) >From: siegel(a)harvard.harvard.edu (Rich Siegel) >From: sis!doug (doug berry) >From: spencer(a)eecs.umich.edu (Spencer W. Thomas) >From: sppy00!glf (Greg Feldman-Hill) >From: Stephen N. Spencer<spencer(a)heinlein.cgrg.ohio-state.edu> >From: Steve Ly <stevely(a)milton.u.washington.edu> >From: stuart(a)natinst.com (Don Stuart) >From: tct!chip(a)uunet.UU.NET (Chip Salzenberg) >From: Timothy VanFosson <timv(a)cadfx.ccad.uiowa.edu> >From: tmccabe(a)cs.washington.edu (Tom McCabe) >From: Tom D Gedeon <Tom.Gedeon%brunel.ac.uk(a)NSFnet-Relay.AC.UK> >From: Tom Haapanen <tom(a)mims-iris.waterloo.edu> >From: trigraph!john (John Chew) >From: twl(a)CS.BROWN.EDU >From: UCLAPP Sysop <JPRICE(a)UCLAPP.PHYSICS.UCLA.EDU> >From: vivanovic(a)Sun.COM (Vladimir G. Ivanovic) >From: vogelw(a)bionette.CGRB.ORST.EDU (Walter Vogel - Biochem) >From: vpsingha(a)ATHENA.MIT.EDU >From: William Wisner <wisner(a)mica.berkeley.edu> >From: wishart(a)bnlux0.bnl.gov (Jim Wishart) >From: younger(a)bruce.cs.monash.OZ.AU (Chris Younger) -- Chuq Von Rospach <+> chuq(a)apple.com <+> [This is myself speaking] All spirits are enslaved which serve things evil -- Shelley >From chuq(a)apple.com Tue Feb 18 00:37:18 1992 Flags: 000000000201 >From: chuq(a)apple.com (Chuq Von Rospach) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.sys.mac Subject: Second call for votes: comp.sys.mac reorg Date: 22 Mar 90 19:06:51 GMT Followup-To: poster Organization: Fictional Reality: where your dreams can come true Keywords: posted This is the second official Call for Votes on the Comp.Sys.Mac hierarchy reorganization. Votes will be taken until April 6, 1990. Please vote on each proposal separately. You may vote 'yes', 'no' or 'abstain/no preference' (or use whatever terms you want for these as long as they're non-ambiguous). Please use the following format: Proposal 1: abstain Proposal 2: abstain Proposal 3: abstain Proposal 5: abstain Proposal 6: abstain Proposal 7: abstain Proposal 9: abstain Mail your votes to 'chuq(a)apple.com'. I will count them and report back to the net on the results of each separate voting item. Votes on each item will be counted by the standard 'delta-100' guidelines. These proposals are being voted on: Proposal 1: rename comp.sys.mac to comp.sys.mac.misc. This will be in multiple stages: the creation of comp.sys.mac.misc, followed a month later by the rmgroup of comp.sys.mac and the addition of a usenet alias to the new group to forward misdirected messages. This will bring c.s.m into the same standardized naming as other hierarchies, and it should also discourage some of the cross-posting between c.s.m and sub-groups that happens when people think they should put it in the parent group just in case. Proposal 2: Creation of comp.sys.mac.system. This will be for discussion of Macintosh system software -- the system, finder, multifinder, CDEVs, INITs and other Apple and third party system software and extensions. Proposal 3: Creation of comp.sys.mac.apps. This will be for discussion of Macintosh applications -- word processors, databases, etc -- that do not have a more appropriate group in the hierarchy (for instance, c.s.m.programmer for development tools, c.s.m.hypercard for hypercard, the proposed c.s.m.comm for telecommunication programs) Proposal 4: [[cancelled. was c.s.m.apps.hierarchy. With no .apps sub-hierarchy, proposal is obsolete]] Proposal 5: creation of comp.sys.mac.wanted. A place for the "I'm missing part five of..." or "I need a program that does..." or "Where can I get a good price on..." messages. Proposal 6: Creation of group comp.sys.mac.games. A group for the discussion of Macintosh computer games. Proposal 7: Creation of group comp.sys.mac.comm. A group for the discussion of telecommunication and networking software and programs: Red Ryder, Microphone, Appleshare, etc. Proposal 8: [[Cancelled. Was c.s.m.virus]] Proposal 9: Creation of group comp.sys.mac.announce, to be created moderated. Moderator to be appointed at some future time. Designed to be a low-volume, high-content group for distribution of information, regular postings (like the "where to find...", and "introduction to comp.sys.mac" documents, postings like virus alerts and other forms of information (product announcements? press releases?) to be determined. No changes: comp.sys.mac.programmer, comp.sys.mac.digest, comp.sys.mac.hardware, comp.sys.mac.hypercard. -- Chuq Von Rospach <+> chuq(a)apple.com <+> [This is myself speaking] He hasn't an enemy in the world, and none of his friends like him. -- Wilde >From chuq(a)apple.com Tue Feb 18 00:41:10 1992 Flags: 000000000201 >From: chuq(a)apple.com (Chuq Von Rospach) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.sys.mac Subject: Final Call for Votes: comp.sys.mac reorg Date: 28 Mar 90 15:43:00 GMT Followup-To: news.groups Organization: Fictional Reality: where your dreams can come true Keywords: posted This is the final call for votes for the comp.sys.mac reorg. Voting will continue until April 6. Please e-mail votes to chuq(a)apple.com Please vote on each proposal separately. You may vote 'yes', 'no' or 'abstain/no preference' (or use whatever terms you want for these as long as they're non-ambiguous). Please use the following format: Proposal 1: abstain Proposal 2: abstain Proposal 3: abstain Proposal 5: abstain Proposal 6: abstain Proposal 7: abstain Proposal 9: abstain Mail your votes to 'chuq(a)apple.com'. I will count them and report back to the net on the results of each separate voting item. Votes on each item will be counted by the standard 'delta-100' guidelines. These proposals are being voted on: Proposal 1: rename comp.sys.mac to comp.sys.mac.misc. This will be in multiple stages: the creation of comp.sys.mac.misc, followed a month later by the rmgroup of comp.sys.mac and the addition of a usenet alias to the new group to forward misdirected messages. This will bring c.s.m into the same standardized naming as other hierarchies, and it should also discourage some of the cross-posting between c.s.m and sub-groups that happens when people think they should put it in the parent group just in case. Proposal 2: Creation of comp.sys.mac.system. This will be for discussion of Macintosh system software -- the system, finder, multifinder, CDEVs, INITs and other Apple and third party system software and extensions. Proposal 3: Creation of comp.sys.mac.apps. This will be for discussion of Macintosh applications -- word processors, databases, etc -- that do not have a more appropriate group in the hierarchy (for instance, c.s.m.programmer for development tools, c.s.m.hypercard for hypercard, the proposed c.s.m.comm for telecommunication programs) Proposal 4: [[cancelled. was c.s.m.apps.hierarchy. With no .apps sub-hierarchy, proposal is obsolete]] Proposal 5: creation of comp.sys.mac.wanted. A place for the "I'm missing part five of..." or "I need a program that does..." or "Where can I get a good price on..." messages. Proposal 6: Creation of group comp.sys.mac.games. A group for the discussion of Macintosh computer games. Proposal 7: Creation of group comp.sys.mac.comm. A group for the discussion of telecommunication and networking software and programs: Red Ryder, Microphone, Appleshare, etc. Proposal 8: [[Cancelled. Was c.s.m.virus]] Proposal 9: Creation of group comp.sys.mac.announce, to be created moderated. Moderator to be appointed at some future time. Designed to be a low-volume, high-content group for distribution of information, regular postings (like the "where to find...", and "introduction to comp.sys.mac" documents, postings like virus alerts and other forms of information (product announcements? press releases?) to be determined. No changes: comp.sys.mac.programmer, comp.sys.mac.digest, comp.sys.mac.hardware, comp.sys.mac.hypercard. -- Chuq Von Rospach <+> chuq(a)apple.com <+> [This is myself speaking] He hasn't an enemy in the world, and none of his friends like him. -- Wilde >From news(a)compass.com Thu May 23 14:06:30 1991 Path: rpi!think.com!compass!news >From: news(a)compass.com (news) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system.ctl Subject: newgroup comp.sys.mac.system Message-ID: <5765(a)compass.com> Date: 23 May 91 16:40:10 GMT Control: newgroup comp.sys.mac.system Distribution: world Organization: Compass, Inc., Wakefield, MA Lines: 1 Approved: news(a)compass.com Discussions of Macintosh system software. >From steve(a)gandalf.UMCS.Maine.EDU Sun Apr 26 11:20:23 1992 Path: rpi!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sdd.hp.com!decwrl!bu.edu !dartvax!mars.caps.maine.edu!gandalf!steve >From: steve(a)gandalf.UMCS.Maine.EDU (Steve E. Goldsmith) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system.ctl Subject: newgroup comp.sys.mac.system Message-ID: <16201(a)gandalf.UMCS.Maine.EDU> Date: 25 Apr 92 23:56:37 GMT Control: newgroup comp.sys.mac.system Distribution: umcs Organization: University of Maine Department of Computer Science Lines: 0 Approved: steve(a)gandalf.UMCS.Maine.EDU >From root(a)mga.com Wed Sep 30 19:45:40 1992 Path: rpi!usenet.coe.montana.edu!caen!uunet!know!eileen!root >From: root(a)mga.com (Operator) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system.ctl Subject: newgroup comp.sys.mac.system Message-ID: <358(a)eileen.mga.COM> Date: 30 Sep 92 16:23:51 GMT Control: newgroup comp.sys.mac.system Distribution: MGA Organization: Mitchell & Gauthier Associates, Inc, Concord, MA Lines: 0 Approved: root(a)mga.com >From hama(a)potenza.fjh.snet.or.jp Wed Jan 27 22:18:18 1993 Path: uunet!pageworks.com!world!eff!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!usc !cs.utexas.edu!sun-barr!sh.wide!fgw!fssc!free!potenza!hama >From: hama(a)potenza.fjh.snet.or.jp (HAMADA) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system.ctl Subject: newgroup comp.sys.mac.system Message-ID: <134(a)potenza.fjh.snet.or.jp> Date: 24 Jan 93 08:49:10 GMT Control: newgroup comp.sys.mac.system Distribution: comp Organization: FUJITSU HOKURIKU SYSTEMS MASUIZUMI,KANAZAWA,ISHIKAWA,JAPAN Lines: 0 Approved: hama(a)potenza.fjh.snet.or.jp Xref: uunet control:549470 >From news(a)marie.iijnet.or.jp Mon Jun 19 00:09:19 1995 Path: uunet!news.iij.ad.jp!jmasgw!green!marie!news >From: news(a)marie.iijnet.or.jp (Usenet News System) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system.ctl Subject: newgroup comp.sys.mac.system Message-ID: <33446(a)marie.iijnet.or.jp> Date: 18 Jun 95 05:27:45 GMT Control: newgroup comp.sys.mac.system Organization: Personal station in Asao-ku, Kawasaki, JPN. Lines: 0 Approved: news(a)marie.iijnet.or.jp Xref: uunet control:2165166 >From root(a)diocesan.ak.school.nz Tue Apr 30 02:45:34 1996 Path: uunet!in2.uu.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!sgigate.sgi.com !enews.sgi.com!decwrl!waikato!status.gen.nz!diocesan.ak.school.nz !diocesan.ak.school.nz!root Date: 30 Apr 1996 17:35:30 NZST >From: root(a)diocesan.ak.school.nz Subject: cmsg newgroup comp.sys.mac.system Control: newgroup comp.sys.mac.system Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system.ctl Message-ID: <root-comp.sys.mac.system-30-Apr-1996-173530-NZST(a)diocesan.ak.school.nz> Approved: root Distribution: world Lines: 2 Xref: uunet control.newgroup:11526 For your newsgroups file: comp.sys.mac.system >From ddahlvan(a)staff.uwsuper.edu Fri Aug 1 02:46:28 1997 Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system Message-ID: <5rrgeb$4117(a)webnt.uwsuper.edu> >From: ddahlvan(a)staff.uwsuper.edu Approved: ddahlvan(a)staff.uwsuper.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: webnt.uwsuper.edu Date: 1 Aug 1997 02:08:11 GMT Organization: University of Wisconsin - Superior Subject: cmsg newgroup comp.sys.mac.system y Control: newgroup comp.sys.mac.system y Lines: 3 Path: news.isc.org!uunet!in2.uu.net!166.114.182.80!newton.infonet.com.bo !webnt.uwsuper.edu!webnt.uwsuper.edu Xref: news.isc.org control.newgroup:8093 Control message generated by Netscape Collabra Server. >From erv.fettchenhauer(a)corp.varian.com Wed Sep 3 16:14:42 1997 Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system Message-ID: <5ukl9e$23g2(a)thumper2.cis.varian.com> >From: erv.fettchenhauer(a)corp.varian.com Approved: erv.fettchenhauer(a)corp.varian.com NNTP-Posting-Host: thumper2.cis.varian.com Path: news.isc.org!uunet!in3.uu.net!129.63.1.1!ulowell.uml.edu !cam-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com !su-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!thumper.cis.varian.com !thumper2.cis.varian.com!thumper2.cis.varian.com Date: 3 Sep 1997 21:36:46 GMT Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Subject: cmsg newgroup comp.sys.mac.system y Control: newgroup comp.sys.mac.system y Lines: 3 Xref: news.isc.org control.newgroup:9254 Control message generated by Netscape Collabra Server. >From qb-announce(a)iastate.edu Mon Aug 31 21:54:51 1998 Path: news.isc.org!news1.digital.com!pa.dec.com!newsgate.tandem.com !su-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com !newsfeed.corridex.com!howland.erols.net!torn!nott!crs19.crl.aecl.ca Newsgroups: news.groups,misc.test,alt.config,alt.test, microsoft.public.access.security,comp.sys.mac.system Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 20:50:16 -0400 Message-ID: <64IJx2qot.mgne(a)iastate.edu> >From: Matt Bruce <qb-announce(a)iastate.edu> Reply-To: Matt Bruce <qb-announce(a)iastate.edu> Organization: Abacus vs. Computer Subject: cmsg rmgroup comp.sys.mac.system Control: rmgroup comp.sys.mac.system X-Info: ftp://ftp.isc.org/pub/pgpcontrol/README.html ftp://ftp.isc.org/pub/pgpcontrol/README X-PGP-Sig: 2.6.2 Subject,Control,Message-ID,Date,From,Sender O7RdGg6PSfBUyw6ps_oE31SYbLxrnZtnsRWoG0Xapzf1N2jvoDgrpE0LPUHrGjEF H_HVxRDNZzqG1kG3luY1DnlvPtDmORv_uLZ_gLnvn3QmtnJacss4HbKOFvmw8RTl Wvbgh3fbtMUn4GHwxRwHhtQZcSaMvOkIAM6jb2ZPFbMlvAMEuNrcZRZ527uDWbXb gNuwMw28xCr= =i_ZL X-No-Archive: Yes Lines: 7 Xref: news.isc.org control.rmgroup:9273 comp.sys.mac.system is widely considered a bogus newsgroup given that it passed its vote for removal by 181:16 as reported in news.announce.newgroups on 29 Aug 1998. Please remove the group from your active file. Meow! Matt Bruce <qb-announce(a)iastate.edu> >From news-admin(a)wholefoods.com Tue Aug 10 10:10:23 1999 Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system Message-ID: <7opl7u$str31(a)mailhost.wholefoods.com> >From: news-admin(a)wholefoods.com Approved: news-admin(a)wholefoods.com NNTP-Posting-Host: news.wholefoods.com Path: news.isc.org!newsfeed.stanford.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com !207.51.224.3!news.wholefoods.com!news.wholefoods.com Date: 10 Aug 1999 16:50:06 GMT Organization: Whole Foods Market Subject: cmsg newgroup comp.sys.mac.system y Control: newgroup comp.sys.mac.system y Distribution: collabra-internal Lines: 4 Xref: news.isc.org control.newgroup:165696 For your newsgroups file: comp.sys.mac.system >From jlemay(a)mecanotes.com Thu Oct 28 11:20:14 1999 Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system Message-ID: <7v5139$2bcn39(a)news.mecasw.com> >From: jlemay(a)mecanotes.com Approved: jlemay(a)mecanotes.com NNTP-Posting-Host: news.mecasw.com Path: news.isc.org!newsfeed.stanford.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu !newsfeed2.news.nl.uu.net!sun4nl!uunet!ams.uu.net!nyc.uu.net !news.mecasw.com!news.mecasw.com Date: 26 Oct 1999 19:57:29 GMT Organization: Concentrex Subject: cmsg newgroup comp.sys.mac.system y Control: newgroup comp.sys.mac.system y Distribution: collabra-internal Lines: 4 Xref: news.isc.org control.newgroup:182495 For your newsgroups file: comp.sys.mac.system
From: Mike Rosenberg on 4 May 2008 19:00 Jolly Roger <jollyroger(a)pobox.com> wrote: > Not that that fact isn't already blatantly obvious to *me*, but does > this news group, or any other CSM* news group, for that matter, have a > charter posted somewhere? I remember way back when, some news groups > used to have charters posted to them every so often for newcomers. Seems > like that may be helpful here. Is this close enough? http://preview.tinyurl.com/62m34b <http://www.faqs.org/ftp/usenet/news.announce.newgroups/comp/comp.sys.ma c-reorg> -- <http://designsbymike.net/shop/mac.cgi> Mac and geek T-shirts & gifts <http://designsbymike.net/election.shtml> Election 2008 goods. <http://designsbymike.net/shop/prius.cgi> Prius shirts/bumper stickers <http://designsbymike.net/shop/greet.cgi> Holiday cards with attitude
From: Jolly Roger on 4 May 2008 20:48 In article <1igfje6.iuil4z1smflidN%mikePOST(a)TOGROUPmacconsult.com>, mikePOST(a)TOGROUPmacconsult.com (Mike Rosenberg) wrote: > Jolly Roger <jollyroger(a)pobox.com> wrote: > > > Not that that fact isn't already blatantly obvious to *me*, but does > > this news group, or any other CSM* news group, for that matter, have a > > charter posted somewhere? I remember way back when, some news groups > > used to have charters posted to them every so often for newcomers. Seems > > like that may be helpful here. > > Is this close enough? > > http://preview.tinyurl.com/62m34b > > <http://www.faqs.org/ftp/usenet/news.announce.newgroups/comp/comp.sys.ma > c-reorg> So who is usually in charge of these things? Obviously, this is way out of date and could use refinement and additions. -- Please send all responses to the relevant news group. E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my very hungry SPAM filter. I do not read posts from Google Groups. Use a real news reader if you want me to see your posts. JR
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