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From: Judson McClendon on 8 Jan 2008 09:47 "Clark F Morris" <cfmpublic(a)ns.sympatico.ca> wrote: >I read the article mentioned below and tend to agree with it. I also > believe that a serious lack in computer science education is the > failure to explore the paradigm for COBOL, the different mathematics > (fixed point decimal versus floating point), the reasons for the use > and the different expected results. The difference in thought between > fields and strings should also be further explored. > > Clark Morris > > zwebsphere(a)YAHOO.COM (Aaron Walker) wrote: > >>Here is a posting and accompanying article on Slashdot which you may enjoy. >> >>http://developers.slashdot.org/developers/08/01/08/0348239.shtml >> >>http://www.stsc.hill.af.mil/CrossTalk/2008/01/0801DewarSchonberg.html >> >>Computer Science Education: Where Are the Software Engineers of Tomorrow? >> >>It is our view that Computer Science (CS) education is neglecting basic >>skills, in particular in the areas of programming and formal methods. We >>consider that the general adoption of Java as a first programming language >>is in part responsible for this decline. We examine briefly the set of >>programming skills that should be part of every software professional's >>repertoire. A cousin of mine (who has a MS in CS) has a daughter who just finished her CS degree. He has been complaining about the same thing. He says they hardly teach coding skills anymore. -- Judson McClendon judmc(a)sunvaley0.com (remove zero) Sun Valley Systems http://sunvaley.com "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life."
From: billious on 8 Jan 2008 10:30 "Judson McClendon" <judmc(a)sunvaley0.com> wrote in message news:E1Mgj.43573$Mu4.3080(a)bignews7.bellsouth.net... > > "Clark F Morris" <cfmpublic(a)ns.sympatico.ca> wrote: >>I read the article mentioned below and tend to agree with it. I also >> believe that a serious lack in computer science education is the >> failure to explore the paradigm for COBOL, the different mathematics >> (fixed point decimal versus floating point), the reasons for the use >> and the different expected results. The difference in thought between >> fields and strings should also be further explored. >> >> Clark Morris >> >> zwebsphere(a)YAHOO.COM (Aaron Walker) wrote: >> >>>Here is a posting and accompanying article on Slashdot which you may >>>enjoy. >>> >>>http://developers.slashdot.org/developers/08/01/08/0348239.shtml >>> >>>http://www.stsc.hill.af.mil/CrossTalk/2008/01/0801DewarSchonberg.html >>> >>>Computer Science Education: Where Are the Software Engineers of Tomorrow? >>> >>>It is our view that Computer Science (CS) education is neglecting basic >>>skills, in particular in the areas of programming and formal methods. We >>>consider that the general adoption of Java as a first programming >>>language >>>is in part responsible for this decline. We examine briefly the set of >>>programming skills that should be part of every software professional's >>>repertoire. > > A cousin of mine (who has a MS in CS) has a daughter who just finished > her CS degree. He has been complaining about the same thing. He says > they hardly teach coding skills anymore. > -- > The malaise is not confined to CS - it's widespread across "hard" disciplines. "Continuous assessment" means that individual assignment work is performed as a group, two people know half of the requirement each and eight more share and discuss. Ten degrees issued. Ten units of education money consumed. One unit of work performed. Degrees are becoming nothing more than pretty attendance certificates as the paper-factories chase revenue. In the words of (appropriately) Steely Dan: The weekend at the college Didn't turn out like you planned The things that pass for knowledge I can't understand
From: Bill Gunshannon on 8 Jan 2008 10:34 In article <E1Mgj.43573$Mu4.3080(a)bignews7.bellsouth.net>, "Judson McClendon" <judmc(a)sunvaley0.com> writes: > > "Clark F Morris" <cfmpublic(a)ns.sympatico.ca> wrote: >>I read the article mentioned below and tend to agree with it. I also >> believe that a serious lack in computer science education is the >> failure to explore the paradigm for COBOL, the different mathematics >> (fixed point decimal versus floating point), the reasons for the use >> and the different expected results. The difference in thought between >> fields and strings should also be further explored. >> >> Clark Morris >> >> zwebsphere(a)YAHOO.COM (Aaron Walker) wrote: >> >>>Here is a posting and accompanying article on Slashdot which you may enjoy. >>> >>>http://developers.slashdot.org/developers/08/01/08/0348239.shtml >>> >>>http://www.stsc.hill.af.mil/CrossTalk/2008/01/0801DewarSchonberg.html >>> >>>Computer Science Education: Where Are the Software Engineers of Tomorrow? >>> >>>It is our view that Computer Science (CS) education is neglecting basic >>>skills, in particular in the areas of programming and formal methods. We >>>consider that the general adoption of Java as a first programming language >>>is in part responsible for this decline. We examine briefly the set of >>>programming skills that should be part of every software professional's >>>repertoire. > > A cousin of mine (who has a MS in CS) has a daughter who just finished > her CS degree. He has been complaining about the same thing. He says > they hardly teach coding skills anymore. And now they are introducing things like "Alice" into curriculum. http://www.alice.org/ bill -- Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves bill(a)cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton | Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include <std.disclaimer.h>
From: Anonymous on 8 Jan 2008 10:49 In article <47839720$0$17335$a82e2bb9(a)reader.athenanews.com>, billious <billious_1954(a)hotmail.com> wrote: [snip] >Degrees are becoming nothing >more than pretty attendance certificates as the paper-factories chase >revenue. Ahhhhhh, for the Oldene Dayse... when a degree was such as *ten* degrees are not, today! DD
From: Anonymous on 8 Jan 2008 10:53
In article <E1Mgj.43573$Mu4.3080(a)bignews7.bellsouth.net>, Judson McClendon <judmc(a)sunvaley0.com> wrote: [snip] >A cousin of mine (who has a MS in CS) has a daughter who just finished >her CS degree. He has been complaining about the same thing. He says >they hardly teach coding skills anymore. Mr McClendon, it's not often that one hears *anyone* saying how *anything* is taught better, now, than it was when they were studying. (... an' don't git him started on what those kids're callin' 'music' nowadays, neither... buncha durned *noise*... ) DD |