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From: username localhost on 1 Apr 2008 22:14
On Apr 1, 4:38 pm, mnhollin...(a)yahoo.com wrote:
> On Apr 1, 7:08 am, reth <r...(a)abv.bg> wrote:
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>
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> > On Mar 31, 2:18 am, TW <timwess...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > > as complicated as your surveying program which I wonder how you miss
> > > > to mention?
>
> > > As opposed to someone who constantly says useless, snippy remarks that
> > > don't help anyone? You seem to have gotten more bitter over the past
> > > month or two. Did someone run over your kitten?
>
> > > I was thinking it might be a complete new menu system that would build
> > > menus, control they keys and shift functions, etc. If so, I was
> > > wondering how such a thing fit into 1Kb (and then I would bow to
> > > Raymond and worship his amazing skill), and also what advantages it
> > > would have over the built in menu system which is already so darn
> > > flexible.
>
> > > I think you will find when the discussion is on a) surveying, b)
> > > connecting the calculator to something serially, or c) HPGCC stuff, it
> > > gets mentioned because it is very relevant to the conversation.
>
> > > Not everyone thinks onboard is a good thing. Leica's is the best
> > > onboard, but I still think it is limited. Just a few weeks ago I had
> > > a guy who has been using Leica's onboard for years tell me how much it
> > > sucks and how glad he is to be done with it. This guy is a certified
> > > Leica repair tech and works for a large company that has around 100
> > > Leicas with everything on up to the top of the line laser
> > > scanners. . .
>
> > > TW
>
> > > PS - just in case you'd like to know, the surveying program does have
> > > a simple editor to graphically build menu label graphics. It isn't
> > > beautiful as it isn't really a key functionality and so I could care
> > > less, but you can stick in text and draw using the cursor keys just
> > > fine. :-)
>
> > the problems with the onboard software always come from the fact that
> > the software has been written by non surveyors or by such putting up
> > with the bear minimum that does the job. on the other hand but
> > probably relevant, using external data collector these days means
> > you're not doing very well in the surveying business and what's more,
> > you won't be doing well.
> > you can tell your leica guy that he has no idea what he is talking
> > about.
> > and you'd better save your personal comments for yourself if you don't
> > wanna read some about you; btw I wouldn't accept your data collector
> > even as a gift, I'd chuck it in the rubbish bin so I don't look like a
> > looser ;)
> > cheers,
> > reth, (surveyor)- Hide quoted text -
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> > - Show quoted text -
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> I would never choose an onboard system over a portable one. Pretty
> hard to carry around a total station in your pocket, wouldn't ya
> think? I just read the review on the DC50 in The American Surveyor
> magazine. Seems like a pretty good data collector to me.

Well actually, AFAICT it is pretty hard to carry the DC 50 in your
pocket. The casing would require some pretty large pockets (perhaps a
jacket pocket would work), unless you are just using the assistant,
(which is strictly equivalent to any old 49g+/50g calc running the
software.) The (mythical?) "field assistant" version would probably
also fit into a pocket, depending on the exact size of that data
cable. (No such product seems to be visible on the site.)

Also, while I am no surveyor, I have a few minor nits with the manual
(the version online at least). In section "COGO Tools", subsection
"Curve Entry Method", in the figure, the labels for points 7 and 14
seem to be missing. The points are there, but are just not labeled.
Perhaps the labels got cut off?

Also Section "organization", subsection "Right Shift Keys", key
description for "Character Map", it is mentioned that "However, any
character above ASCII 128 does not
appear the same on a PC due to encoding differences." That probably
should be "above 127" as character 128 is the angle symbol on the
calculator, which while perhaps nice for surveying will definitely not
transfer correctly. (Further char 127 is worthless and would not
transfer well so there is no loss even if that version were
interpreted as "above (and including) 127").
From: TW on 2 Apr 2008 01:37
> > I would never choose an onboard system over a portable one.  Pretty
> > hard to carry around a total station in your pocket, wouldn't ya
> > think?  I just read the review on the DC50 in The American Surveyor
> > magazine.  Seems like a pretty good data collector to me.

There are some people who find them perfectly suitable. There is
something to be said for not having another device. However, like I
said earlier Leica's is the only semi-decent on out there.

> Well actually, AFAICT it is pretty hard to carry the DC 50 in your
> pocket. The casing would require some pretty large pockets (perhaps a

Indeed. It was never meant to be pocket sized. It was meant to be
able to be run over by a truck and survive (which it does). We've
also shot the screen with a .22 cal rifle hollow point at 100 feet,
dropped it 4 stories onto a concrete slab, left it submerged for 30
minutes, and so on.

> software.) The (mythical?) "field assistant" version would probably
> also fit into a pocket, depending on the exact size of that data
> cable. (No such product seems to be visible on the site.)

Thanks. The silly shopping cart system deactivated it because the
"stock on hand" dropped to 0. I put in 10000 so that shouldn't be
happening again. I'd be happy if it did though. :-)

> Also, while I am no surveyor, I have a few minor nits with the manual
> (the version online at least). In section "COGO Tools", subsection
> "Curve Entry Method", in the figure, the labels for points 7 and 14
> seem to be missing. The points are there, but are just not labeled.
> Perhaps the labels got cut off?

Yup. Looks like a case of over-aggressive cropping. Will take note.

> description for "Character Map", it is mentioned that "However, any
> character above ASCII 128 does not
> appear the same on a PC due to encoding differences." That probably
> should be "above 127" as character 128 is the angle symbol on the
> calculator, which while perhaps nice for surveying will definitely not
> transfer correctly. (Further char 127 is worthless and would not
> transfer well so there is no loss even if that version were
> interpreted as "above (and including) 127").

That was my fault. I tend to think 0-127 as being 128 numbers and so
when I wrote that down to insert in it was probably put in just as I
wrote it. :-( You are correct. I don't think anyone has ever tried
to use one of those characters thought.

TW

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