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From: Sinner on 8 Aug 2008 08:33 "Beverly Howard [Ms-MVP/MobileDev]" <BevNoSpamBevHoward.com> wrote in message news:%23p$CPApjIHA.4712(a)TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > > Per the posts, your only legal option is to purchase an XP recovery disk > from the oem... if that is even possible. > That is not true. You can legally buy, and install, an OEM version of the OS from any system builder willing to sell to you. Or can I look forward to MS's storm troopers showing up on my doorstep?
From: Rainald Taesler on 8 Aug 2008 09:40 Sinner wrote: > "Beverly Howard [Ms-MVP/MobileDev]" <BevNoSpamBevHoward.com> wrote > in message news:%23p$CPApjIHA.4712(a)TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >> >> Per the posts, your only legal option is to purchase an XP >> recovery disk from the oem... if that is even possible. > > That is not true. You can legally buy, and install, an OEM version > of the OS from any system builder willing to sell to you. I wish good luck for finding one having to sell XP TapletPC ... Rainald
From: Sinner on 8 Aug 2008 17:09 "Rainald Taesler" <taesler(a)gmx.de> wrote in message news:%23GdfsKW%23IHA.3396(a)TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > Sinner wrote: > >> "Beverly Howard [Ms-MVP/MobileDev]" <BevNoSpamBevHoward.com> wrote >> in message news:%23p$CPApjIHA.4712(a)TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>> >>> Per the posts, your only legal option is to purchase an XP >>> recovery disk from the oem... if that is even possible. >> >> That is not true. You can legally buy, and install, an OEM version >> of the OS from any system builder willing to sell to you. > > I wish good luck for finding one having to sell XP TapletPC ... > Well, here's one: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16837102094 You'll find others on eBay also.
From: Rainald Taesler on 8 Aug 2008 17:43 Sinner wrote: > "Rainald Taesler" wrote ... > >> Sinner wrote: >> >>> "Beverly Howard [Ms-MVP/MobileDev]" <BevNoSpamBevHoward.com> wrote >>> in message news:%23p$CPApjIHA.4712(a)TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>>> >>>> Per the posts, your only legal option is to purchase an XP >>>> recovery disk from the oem... if that is even possible. >>> >>> That is not true. You can legally buy, and install, an OEM >>> version of the OS from any system builder willing to sell to you. >> >> I wish good luck for finding one having to sell XP TapletPC ... > > Well, here's one: > > http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16837102094 > > You'll find others on eBay also. I saw that before (someone had announced that in this NG) and really wondered how Newegg can afford to run into serious conflicts with MS. I'm pretty sure that this is an offer conforming with the valid legal patterns. IMO Newegg clearly violates the licence conditions and so does the end-user who works with this software. Just see the "Disclaimer" in the upper right corner: "Use of this OEM System Builder Channel software is subject to the terms of the Microsoft OEM System Builder License. This software is intended for pre-installation on a new personal computer for resale. This OEM System Builder Channel software requires the assembler to provide end user support for the Windows software ... " Also: http://oem.microsoft.com/public/sblicense/2008_sb_licenses/fy08_sb_license_english.pdf MS never sold XP TabletPC edition separately. It was strictly bound to the hardware manufacturers. Rainald
From: Sinner on 8 Aug 2008 18:35
"Rainald Taesler" <taesler(a)gmx.de> wrote in message news:uIeUxIa%23IHA.220(a)TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > > I saw that before (someone had announced that in this NG) and really > wondered how Newegg can afford to run into serious conflicts with MS. > > I'm pretty sure that this is an offer conforming with the valid legal > patterns. > IMO Newegg clearly violates the licence conditions and so does the > end-user who works with this software. > > Just see the "Disclaimer" in the upper right corner: > "Use of this OEM System Builder Channel software is subject to the terms > of the Microsoft OEM System Builder License. This software is intended > for pre-installation on a new personal computer for resale. This OEM > System Builder Channel software requires the assembler to provide end > user support for the Windows software ... " > > Also: > http://oem.microsoft.com/public/sblicense/2008_sb_licenses/fy08_sb_license_english.pdf > > MS never sold XP TabletPC edition separately. It was strictly bound to > the hardware manufacturers. > Do you honestly believe that if MS had any legal way to prevent the sale of any OEM packages that they wouldn't exercise those ways? MS doesn't worry about it because they've already been paid, they don't have to provide any form of support and once activated, that OEM package is tied to one specific piece of hardware. Why should outfits like Newegg be stuck with software they can't sell just because MS no longer wants it put into new hardware? If MS doesn't like it, they can always drop the OEM business model. Sell nothing but full retail packages, even to system builders. Force the builders to provide actual media instead of hidden partitions and backup utilities. While they're at it, eliminate the damned Upgrade packages. I used my Vista Ultimate Upgrade package illegally. I did a clean install on a blank HD without providing any proof of ownership of a valid OS before hand. I'm gonna burn in hell for sure. |