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From: polymod on 4 May 2008 12:12

"Glennbo" <vdrumsYourHeadFromYourAss(a)cox.net> wrote in message
news:Xns9A937E54C3DB6BrownShoesDontMakeIt(a)69.28.186.120...
> In news:481c9774$0$15163$607ed4bc(a)cv.net the killer robot "polymod"
> <polymod(a)optonline.net> grabbed the controls of the spaceship
> cakewalk.audio and pressed these buttons...
>
> >> At least for me, when there's any significant delay in getting the
> >> idea recorded, the chances of getting what I was thinking decreases
> >> exponentially. It was in fact Sonar going off to never never land
> >> that
> > got
> >> me to try Reaper. I was working on a new bit, and was about 45
> >> minutes into it when I put Sonar into a loop to rehearse the next bit
> >> I was going to record. It played to the end loop point, never
> >> looped, kept the transport running, and no longer would respond to
> >> any mouse or keyboard commands. I couldn't even end it with a
> >> ctrl-alt-del, so after resetting my machine, when it came back up, I
> >> thought "can I re-create all the stuff I just lost"? I decided that
> >> even if I did, it wouldn't have the same magic it had on the doomed
> >> recording. That was the day I downloaded Reaper.
> >
> > Don't blame ya'.
> > That's an inspiration killer right there.
> > (knock wood) I haven't had those typse of problems since my 'upgrade',
> > otherwise I'd probably be using Reaper.
> > It's weird how certain things work in one system, but not in another.
> > I was having so much problems for months, and finally my tech tried a
> > different board and all problems were solved. The board wasn't
> > bad...he installed it in another machine and it's working perfectly.
>
> What kind of latency are you running Sonar at?

Don't laugh. 10ms
It dosn't bother me....never did.
I'm using the most recent WDM drivers for my DAL Card Deluxe.
I could probably try their ASIO drivers and probably get lower latency, but
I can barely hear the delay as a play.

Poly


From: polymod on 4 May 2008 12:30

"polymod" <polymod(a)optonline.net> wrote in message
news:481de06f$0$11625$607ed4bc(a)cv.net...
>
> "Glennbo" <vdrumsYourHeadFromYourAss(a)cox.net> wrote in message
> news:Xns9A937E54C3DB6BrownShoesDontMakeIt(a)69.28.186.120...
> > In news:481c9774$0$15163$607ed4bc(a)cv.net the killer robot "polymod"
> > <polymod(a)optonline.net> grabbed the controls of the spaceship
> > cakewalk.audio and pressed these buttons...
> >
> > >> At least for me, when there's any significant delay in getting the
> > >> idea recorded, the chances of getting what I was thinking decreases
> > >> exponentially. It was in fact Sonar going off to never never land
> > >> that
> > > got
> > >> me to try Reaper. I was working on a new bit, and was about 45
> > >> minutes into it when I put Sonar into a loop to rehearse the next bit
> > >> I was going to record. It played to the end loop point, never
> > >> looped, kept the transport running, and no longer would respond to
> > >> any mouse or keyboard commands. I couldn't even end it with a
> > >> ctrl-alt-del, so after resetting my machine, when it came back up, I
> > >> thought "can I re-create all the stuff I just lost"? I decided that
> > >> even if I did, it wouldn't have the same magic it had on the doomed
> > >> recording. That was the day I downloaded Reaper.
> > >
> > > Don't blame ya'.
> > > That's an inspiration killer right there.
> > > (knock wood) I haven't had those typse of problems since my 'upgrade',
> > > otherwise I'd probably be using Reaper.
> > > It's weird how certain things work in one system, but not in another.
> > > I was having so much problems for months, and finally my tech tried a
> > > different board and all problems were solved. The board wasn't
> > > bad...he installed it in another machine and it's working perfectly.
> >
> > What kind of latency are you running Sonar at?
>
> Don't laugh. 10ms
> It dosn't bother me....never did.
> I'm using the most recent WDM drivers for my DAL Card Deluxe.
> I could probably try their ASIO drivers and probably get lower latency,
but
> I can barely hear the delay as a play.

make that as *I* play.

Poly


From: polymod on 4 May 2008 13:06

"polymod" <polymod(a)optonline.net> wrote in message
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>
> "polymod" <polymod(a)optonline.net> wrote in message
> news:481de06f$0$11625$607ed4bc(a)cv.net...
>>
>> "Glennbo" <vdrumsYourHeadFromYourAss(a)cox.net> wrote in message
>> news:Xns9A937E54C3DB6BrownShoesDontMakeIt(a)69.28.186.120...
>> > In news:481c9774$0$15163$607ed4bc(a)cv.net the killer robot "polymod"
>> > <polymod(a)optonline.net> grabbed the controls of the spaceship
>> > cakewalk.audio and pressed these buttons...
>> >
>> > >> At least for me, when there's any significant delay in getting the
>> > >> idea recorded, the chances of getting what I was thinking decreases
>> > >> exponentially. It was in fact Sonar going off to never never land
>> > >> that
>> > > got
>> > >> me to try Reaper. I was working on a new bit, and was about 45
>> > >> minutes into it when I put Sonar into a loop to rehearse the next
>> > >> bit
>> > >> I was going to record. It played to the end loop point, never
>> > >> looped, kept the transport running, and no longer would respond to
>> > >> any mouse or keyboard commands. I couldn't even end it with a
>> > >> ctrl-alt-del, so after resetting my machine, when it came back up, I
>> > >> thought "can I re-create all the stuff I just lost"? I decided that
>> > >> even if I did, it wouldn't have the same magic it had on the doomed
>> > >> recording. That was the day I downloaded Reaper.
>> > >
>> > > Don't blame ya'.
>> > > That's an inspiration killer right there.
>> > > (knock wood) I haven't had those typse of problems since my
>> > > 'upgrade',
>> > > otherwise I'd probably be using Reaper.
>> > > It's weird how certain things work in one system, but not in another.
>> > > I was having so much problems for months, and finally my tech tried a
>> > > different board and all problems were solved. The board wasn't
>> > > bad...he installed it in another machine and it's working perfectly.
>> >
>> > What kind of latency are you running Sonar at?
>>
>> Don't laugh. 10ms
>> It dosn't bother me....never did.
>> I'm using the most recent WDM drivers for my DAL Card Deluxe.
>> I could probably try their ASIO drivers and probably get lower latency,
> but
>> I can barely hear the delay as a play.
>
> make that as *I* play.

Switched to ASIO and could get as low as 1ms, but playback was unstable.
Messed around, and it didn't get more stable until the 8-10ms range so I'm
just going to stick with what I've been using.
Since I'm a keyboardist and am used to having my 'sound' come from a box at
some other point of the stage/room, so I'm quite used to having a slight
delay. 10ms ain't ugotz. I guess I'm seasoned ;)

Poly


From: polymod on 5 May 2008 06:57

"Glennbo" <vdrumsYourHeadFromYourAss(a)cox.net> wrote in message
news:Xns9A94A0D019E00BrownShoesDontMakeIt(a)69.28.186.120...
> In news:481ded29$0$15180$607ed4bc(a)cv.net the killer robot "polymod"
> <polymod(a)optonline.net> grabbed the controls of the spaceship
> cakewalk.audio and pressed these buttons...
>
> > Switched to ASIO and could get as low as 1ms, but playback was
> > unstable. Messed around, and it didn't get more stable until the
> > 8-10ms range so I'm just going to stick with what I've been using.
> > Since I'm a keyboardist and am used to having my 'sound' come from a
> > box at some other point of the stage/room, so I'm quite used to having
> > a slight delay. 10ms ain't ugotz. I guess I'm seasoned ;)
>
> I can actually run Sonar at lower latency using WDM than I can using
> ASIO. I think the audio card manufacturer's driver plays a big roll in
> determining which way of connecting will work best.

I can appreciate a "drummer" needing the lowest latency possible.
FWIW I chose my sound card for quality as it is most used for critical audio
testing. If I sacrifice a bit of latency, so be it!
:-)

Poly


From: polymod on 5 May 2008 11:20

"Glennbo" <vdrumsYourHeadFromYourAss(a)cox.net> wrote in message
news:Xns9A955692D1319BrownShoesDontMakeIt(a)207.115.17.102...
> In news:481ee836$0$11612$607ed4bc(a)cv.net the killer robot "polymod"
> <polymod(a)optonline.net> grabbed the controls of the spaceship
> cakewalk.audio and pressed these buttons...
>
> > I can appreciate a "drummer" needing the lowest latency possible.
> > FWIW I chose my sound card for quality as it is most used for critical
> > audio testing. If I sacrifice a bit of latency, so be it!
> >:-)
>
> Bottom line is if you can work on music, instead of working on your
> computer, then it's good. :)

Applause !

Poly


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