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From: Mike Miller on 31 Mar 2008 15:00

"jeff wald" <wldj4(a)grics.net> wrote in message
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> What's the general take on a pair or two of these subs for weekend warrior
> pa subs? New@$800. per too much?

What tops are you mating these to?

I have a pair of LA-118s, powered by a QSC PL380 and Ashly processor, that I
use with a pair of LA-212 tops for small/medium size bar gigs and corporate
work. They sound great in this scenario and I've been very happy with them.
Plenty of low end that goes very low. They're actually pretty easy to move
around too - stacked one on top of the other, with a hand-truck on the side.

They do, however, take a lot of power -- and if you ever see yourself
running more than 2 per side...

I also have LA-400s for larger jobs. Really an apples/oranges comparison
with LA-118, and both have their plus/minus. As George said, you really
need a minimum of two LA-400 per side. 4 per side will make serious noise.
Power requirements are considerably less for the same output.

$800 US/apiece new is reasonable for LA-118.. There's some on ebay now for
around that...but of course shipping can be painful...

With all the praise I have for my existing EAW products, though, there are
some troubling stories surfacing about the company and it's service.
Something to think about.

Hope this is helpful,
Mike


From: tbmoas58 on 31 Mar 2008 15:06

> With all the praise I have for my existing EAW products, though, there are
> some troubling stories surfacing about the company and it's service.
> Something to think about.
>
> Hope this is helpful,
> Mike

do you have any links?
of course the mackie/offshore connection is well known
but I am not aware of any "troublesome" reason to be cautious about
recommending eaw

I would be interested in learning
George
>


From: Mike Miller on 31 Mar 2008 16:53

>> With all the praise I have for my existing EAW products, though, there
>> are
>> some troubling stories surfacing about the company and it's service.
>> Something to think about.
>
> do you have any links?
> of course the mackie/offshore connection is well known
> but I am not aware of any "troublesome" reason to be cautious about
> recommending eaw
>
> I would be interested in learning

Well, to be honest, the China thing did bother me probably more than most.
I've been on the "employee-side" of a company which was purchased by another
large publicly-traded company, which publicly said everything would stay the
same - while privately outsourcing everything to India, Sweden and China -
solely for lower labor rates - with little or no regard for customer quality
or service. I'm not saying that's the case with EAW/Loud, but the spin
sounds awfully familiar. And of course you can't blame a business for
wanting to be more profitable: I just wish they'd call it what it is. I
haven't seen a price drop in EAW gear yet. Call me ... whatever ... but
everything else being equal, I'd prefer my American dollars went to an
American employee.

Also "troublesome" is the departure of Dave Gunness, EAW's Director of R&D
who did an awful lot of good stuff there. (
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/3/B84/981 ) You would think a company that has
used a guy's name in branding their technology (Gunness Focusing) would do
everything they could to keep him there!

Of course, Ken Berger (EAW co-founder and Loud Sr. Vice President) resigned
in late 2006.
(http://www.mi-pro.co.uk/news/26079/Loud-buys-Martin-Audio)

There have also been some bizarre and almost unbelievable reports of
replacement drivers/parts taking months to acquire, and long delivery delays
on new merchandise. (Search LAB on prosoundweb.com.)

Finally, I've been watching very closely the development of their UX8800
processor - as I've heard that it's an incredible technology which can
provide a dramatic improvement in quality to existing boxes. But it's been
available for a long time and they still seem to be having very serious
software quality issues; Lock-ups, random output delays, etc..
(http://forums.eaw.com/cgi-bin/ubb/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=forum;f=18) I've
downloaded and installed their PC software and was unimpressed when compared
with the ease of use of Ashly's Protea or Harmon's System Architect systems.
And they still haven't found the time to add Gunness Focusing support for
their current entire product line. (Let alone discontinued products.)

I'm still a big fan of EAW. Every single box I own is EAW. And I'm
seriously considering purchasing more. But it is troubling... Enough that
I'm "just looking" elsewhere.

Mike






From: michael gaster on 31 Mar 2008 10:30



"jeff wald" <wldj4(a)grics.net> wrote in message
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> Thanks Mike. Were they using them in weekend warrior type situation?
> How do you feel about the JBL SR4718x? Thanks.
>
> --
> J Wald
>
> "Outside of a dog, a book is mans' best friend.
> Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read."
> Groucho Marx.
> "michael gaster" <gaster(a)gastereng.com> wrote in message
> news:W5ydnUeadYda1m3anZ2dnUVZ_uOmnZ2d(a)comcast.com...
>> "jeff wald" <wldj4(a)grics.net> wrote in message
>> news:fsphel01rt2(a)enews5.newsguy.com...
>>> Thanks George.
>>> How do you feel about the SB250s?
>>>
>>> --
>>> J Wald
one was a acoustic duo, the other small sound co, they both didnt care a
whole lot for them...

the JBL is a decent sub box, there is a club I am working with training a
new house guy for that has a pair of those, and they dont suck...

I have heard great things about this yorkville sub, however, although larger
it may be easier to transport:
http://www.yorkville.com/products.asp?type=29&cat=38&id=317

--
Michael Gaster
Gaster Engineering


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