EIDE (Enhanced IDE) vs IDE
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From: Curious George on 8 Mar 2006 15:16 On Tue, 07 Mar 2006 19:19:48 GMT, kony <spam(a)spam.com> wrote: >On Tue, 07 Mar 2006 07:09:07 GMT, Curious George ><cg(a)email.net> wrote: > > >>unfortunately, even if that is true it does not help him, and may only >>confuse him. I know he will get that 40 gig drive working, there are >>several possibilities. I only hope he hasn't been given false hope, >>and confused by testimonials of much newer products, that wastes his >>time. > > >There's not much false hope to have. Situation is same as >always, buy the drive one wants and that is supported by the >OS, (in cases of Win9x or older) and if it won't work, throw >a PCI ATA133 card in, an additional $15. However, it's a >bit pointless to choose a 40GB drive if this is going to be >the route taken, so IF he's going to buy a very small drive You're assuming too much. For all we know it's free after rebate from his ISP. >today it would only make sense in the context of finding out >exactly what his board would support, not through listening >to your overgeneralized speculations but actually checking. And I know what my money's on when he finishes his research. >If there is no data available, again there is no reason to >think "buy a 40GB HDD", rather than planning to need the PCI >IDE card and then having a larger, faster drive. 120GB thank you for further supporting my position & initial recommendation. >drives have been in US weekend papers for $40 after rebate >or less, making it of no significance how much space went >unused (if he doesn't want large #s of 2GB partitions in the >case of FAT16), only that it was a new faster model. It's far more productive & helpful to David to first hear from him what he needs, thinks he wants, want's to spend, and has as far as an OS. Although it is reasonable to anticipate that he would not want to deal with a 40 or 120 gig drive sliced in 2GB Fat16 partitions.
From: kony on 8 Mar 2006 20:47 On Wed, 08 Mar 2006 19:49:00 GMT, Curious George <cg(a)email.net> wrote: >Have a nice day. I'll second that and we end the exchange.
From: kony on 8 Mar 2006 20:50 On Wed, 08 Mar 2006 20:16:07 GMT, Curious George <cg(a)email.net> wrote: >On Tue, 07 Mar 2006 19:19:48 GMT, kony <spam(a)spam.com> wrote: > >>On Tue, 07 Mar 2006 07:09:07 GMT, Curious George >><cg(a)email.net> wrote: >> >> >>>unfortunately, even if that is true it does not help him, and may only >>>confuse him. I know he will get that 40 gig drive working, there are >>>several possibilities. I only hope he hasn't been given false hope, >>>and confused by testimonials of much newer products, that wastes his >>>time. >> >> >>There's not much false hope to have. Situation is same as >>always, buy the drive one wants and that is supported by the >>OS, (in cases of Win9x or older) and if it won't work, throw >>a PCI ATA133 card in, an additional $15. However, it's a >>bit pointless to choose a 40GB drive if this is going to be >>the route taken, so IF he's going to buy a very small drive > >You're assuming too much. For all we know it's free after rebate from >his ISP. Perhaps, or for all we know it isn't... > >>today it would only make sense in the context of finding out >>exactly what his board would support, not through listening >>to your overgeneralized speculations but actually checking. > >And I know what my money's on when he finishes his research. Ah, but then you miss the whole point, which wasn't to spend a dozen minutes back and forth in debate, nor reading the debate, but to "just do it", in the first place. Educated guesses should always be a fallback position, AFTER the attempt to find the data.
From: Curious George on 9 Mar 2006 00:58
On Thu, 09 Mar 2006 01:50:42 GMT, kony <spam(a)spam.com> wrote: >On Wed, 08 Mar 2006 20:16:07 GMT, Curious George ><cg(a)email.net> wrote: > >>On Tue, 07 Mar 2006 19:19:48 GMT, kony <spam(a)spam.com> wrote: >> >>>On Tue, 07 Mar 2006 07:09:07 GMT, Curious George >>><cg(a)email.net> wrote: >>> >>> >>>>unfortunately, even if that is true it does not help him, and may only >>>>confuse him. I know he will get that 40 gig drive working, there are >>>>several possibilities. I only hope he hasn't been given false hope, >>>>and confused by testimonials of much newer products, that wastes his >>>>time. >>> >>> >>>There's not much false hope to have. Situation is same as >>>always, buy the drive one wants and that is supported by the >>>OS, (in cases of Win9x or older) and if it won't work, throw >>>a PCI ATA133 card in, an additional $15. However, it's a >>>bit pointless to choose a 40GB drive if this is going to be >>>the route taken, so IF he's going to buy a very small drive >> >>You're assuming too much. For all we know it's free after rebate from >>his ISP. > >Perhaps, or for all we know it isn't... Hence it's an _assumption_. Advice based on assumptions often has little value as it is at high risk of being irrelevant. >>>today it would only make sense in the context of finding out >>>exactly what his board would support, not through listening >>>to your overgeneralized speculations but actually checking. >> >>And I know what my money's on when he finishes his research. > >Ah, but then you miss the whole point, which wasn't to spend >a dozen minutes back and forth in debate, nor reading the Mr. Kettle. There was no need for a "debate." It lacked logical engagement & was so repetitious that I'm not sure it constituted a real "debate" anyway. >debate, but to "just do it", in the first place. Educated No. "just do it" is a last resort for reasonable ppl and penny pinchers who run 10 year old machines. "In the first place", he should have an idea of what he may be getting into. Reasonable ppl "just do it" as a last resort when they have nothing to loose & can't get any or enough information. This person running a 10 yr old machine might not be willing to take the risks associated with "just do it" & lack of planning. He might alter plans considerably depending on whether or not it works or if it does so with certain caveats. Instead of superimposing our needs & values, better to just lay out what he's in for and let him respond more specifically. Either that or ask him pointed questions or a give a simple RTFM blow off. But pretending to help him while leading him down a blind path and then when called out on the folly of it responding "look it up" is just irresponsible, wasteful, & almost mean spirited. >guesses should always be a fallback position, AFTER the It was more than that. It was correlative results of an established track record of multiple makes & models of identical platform selling in retail venues in the exact same year. >attempt to find the data. But none's advising him against looking it up or contacting HP. It's reasonable to attempt to ascertain what one is getting into and the likelihood of success or failure. That's what the OP was doing by running this question by the group. Just telling the OP - look it up and/or try it is worthless. He can do that on his own & doesn't need to ask here. Telling him from experience what he is almost assured of getting into for BIOS, controller performance, & filesystem support is actually answering his question (will it work?) rather than a blow off that pretends to be helpful. Granted it isn't the absolute definitive answer, but it is a relevant & useful answer nonetheless. Fact is it's a 10 year old computer. The web support is spotty (and indicates max support of 2 gigs). If he calls tech support they probably won't know and/or will charge an arm & a leg to answer. Their answer might not be accurate; support info tends to get jumbled over time for unsupported products. But being prepared with correlative experiences is useful when it is possible he won't get direct or accurate information when looking it up. If he's penny pinching with a 10 year old computer and a long obsolete drive upgrade, the last thing he should be doing is "just try it" and fix or pay for possible upgrades as he goes. That's how you run up a higher bill than expected and may even end up with something undesirable. And with that the horse is officially a bloody pulp. Have a nice day. |