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From: Mike on 10 Jul 2006 19:47 I'm a guitarist/singer/PA Owner in a reggae band that plays live twice weekly. I'm running a Yamaha MG16/6FX board into one Yorkville sub and two SRM 450's as the basis for the system. We use IEM's for monitors. So far, we have no outboard effects or other gear. The only sound processing comes from the board's internal effects, which I only use for light reverb. I'd like to add a delay unit so I can begin playing with some "dub" type effects. I mix from the stage (with assistance of a few semi-knowledgable fans) so the unit will be close to me. I've never dealt with outboard gear and have no idea how to wire it or set a processor up. I simply want an easy to manipulate, rack-mounted, delay unit that I can add in when I want to on the snare and vocals. Knobs on the front to change the speed and repeat times would be a must. Any advice or online guides on how to set it up would be appreciated. Sorry for sounding like a buffoon. Mike
From: Greg Cameron on 10 Jul 2006 20:52 Mike wrote: > I'm a guitarist/singer/PA Owner in a reggae band that plays live twice > weekly. I'm running a Yamaha MG16/6FX board into one Yorkville sub and > two SRM 450's as the basis for the system. We use IEM's for monitors. > So far, we have no outboard effects or other gear. The only sound > processing comes from the board's internal effects, which I only use > for light reverb. > I'd like to add a delay unit so I can begin playing with some "dub" > type effects. I mix from the stage (with assistance of a few > semi-knowledgable fans) so the unit will be close to me. > I've never dealt with outboard gear and have no idea how to wire it or > set a processor up. I simply want an easy to manipulate, rack-mounted, > delay unit that I can add in when I want to on the snare and vocals. > Knobs on the front to change the speed and repeat times would be a > must. Any advice or online guides on how to set it up would be > appreciated. > Sorry for sounding like a buffoon. > Mike Take a look at the T.C. Electronics D2. Easy to use, decent quality delay: http://www.tcelectronic.com/D-Two Setup is simple. You feed an Aux Send (post fader) to the unit's input, mono feed is fine. As for getting signal back into the board, there's a few ways to go. The single best, IMO, is to return the sign to a stereo channel strip if you have one open. It's debatable if having stereo effects is a real advantage, as only people in between the main will hear them, but it certainly can't hurt. The other options are to use a mono channel strip and take a mono (L) output from the D2 into it. Lastly, you can use the Effect Return. But the disadvantage is that you cannot EQ the returned signal, nor feed it to the monitors if you wish like you can by using channel strips. After you wire up the unit, you would send the channels to it you wish to effect by turning up the aux send for those channels you've patched to the unit (i.e. Aux 2). You would use the fader on the channel you've patched the unit's output to, to blend it into the mix. The one caveat you need to be aware of is to not turn up the aux send on the unit's return channel that you're also feeding it with, or you'll have an instant feedback loop. Since that board has a very limited number of auxes, it may be a problem using the aux sends if they're already being used for monitors. One possible work around, say for vocals, would be to assign the vocals you want to affect to a group, and use that group's output to feed the unit instead of an aux. But in that scenario, adding snare to the delay would be problematic. Greg
From: Stu P on 11 Jul 2006 22:06 Greg Cameron wrote: >Mike wrote: > > >>I'm a guitarist/singer/PA Owner in a reggae band that plays live twice >>weekly. I'm running a Yamaha MG16/6FX board into one Yorkville sub and >>two SRM 450's as the basis for the system. We use IEM's for monitors. >>So far, we have no outboard effects or other gear. The only sound >>processing comes from the board's internal effects, which I only use >>for light reverb. >>I'd like to add a delay unit so I can begin playing with some "dub" >>type effects. I mix from the stage (with assistance of a few >>semi-knowledgable fans) so the unit will be close to me. >>I've never dealt with outboard gear and have no idea how to wire it or >>set a processor up. I simply want an easy to manipulate, rack-mounted, >>delay unit that I can add in when I want to on the snare and vocals. >>Knobs on the front to change the speed and repeat times would be a >>must. Any advice or online guides on how to set it up would be >>appreciated. >>Sorry for sounding like a buffoon. >>Mike >> >> > >Take a look at the T.C. Electronics D2. Easy to use, decent quality >delay: > >http://www.tcelectronic.com/D-Two > > > <snip> I have an m300 (also by TC Electronics) and it's even simpler and cheaper and gives you a second fx engine which you can use with the delay or from a separate send. The D2 has more options (the filter function is particularly useful for dub) but you can easily get great results out of the m300 (try the tape delay patch for starters). Try them both and see what tickles your fancy. Stu.
From: Mike on 13 Jul 2006 12:29 Stu P wrote: > Greg Cameron wrote: > > >Mike wrote: > > > > > >>I'm a guitarist/singer/PA Owner in a reggae band that plays live twice > >>weekly. I'm running a Yamaha MG16/6FX board into one Yorkville sub and > >>two SRM 450's as the basis for the system. We use IEM's for monitors. > >>So far, we have no outboard effects or other gear. The only sound > >>processing comes from the board's internal effects, which I only use > >>for light reverb. > >>I'd like to add a delay unit so I can begin playing with some "dub" > >>type effects. I mix from the stage (with assistance of a few > >>semi-knowledgable fans) so the unit will be close to me. > >>I've never dealt with outboard gear and have no idea how to wire it or > >>set a processor up. I simply want an easy to manipulate, rack-mounted, > >>delay unit that I can add in when I want to on the snare and vocals. > >>Knobs on the front to change the speed and repeat times would be a > >>must. Any advice or online guides on how to set it up would be > >>appreciated. > >>Sorry for sounding like a buffoon. > >>Mike > >> > >> > > > >Take a look at the T.C. Electronics D2. Easy to use, decent quality > >delay: > > > >http://www.tcelectronic.com/D-Two > > > > > > > <snip> > > I have an m300 (also by TC Electronics) and it's even simpler and > cheaper and gives you a second fx engine which you can use with the > delay or from a separate send. The D2 has more options (the filter > function is particularly useful for dub) but you can easily get great > results out of the m300 (try the tape delay patch for starters). Try > them both and see what tickles your fancy. > > Stu. Thanks for the replies guys. Good info. I was surprised to find that there are relatively few rackmounted delay-only units made. How about this, could I route the snare through a quality guitarists delay pedal? Would the level coming off of the snare mic (57) be too much for the pedal? Thanks a buch. Mike
From: Phildo on 13 Jul 2006 14:12
"Mike" <nesta(a)swfla.rr.com> wrote in message news:1152808189.490144.70820(a)h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... > Thanks for the replies guys. Good info. I was surprised to find that > there are relatively few rackmounted delay-only units made. How about > this, could I route the snare through a quality guitarists delay pedal? > Would the level coming off of the snare mic (57) be too much for the > pedal? Thanks a buch. I would avoid pedals at all cost. Very hard to control. You would be much better off with a D-two for what you want to do. Another poster suggested the m300 which isn't bad but for dub effects there is nothing better than a D-two. Phildo |