From: The NewGuy on
In article <carl-ED9D1A.13122204052008(a)comcast.dca.giganews.com>,
Carl Witthoft <carl(a)witthoft.com> wrote:

> In article <noemailhere-8EDB30.10551004052008(a)news.mts.net>,
> The New guy <noemailhere(a)please.comm> wrote:
>
> > In article <jollyroger-1040B8.00521103052008(a)individual.net>,
> > Jolly Roger <jollyroger(a)pobox.com> wrote:
> >
> > > In article <7EQSj.118$aA1.66(a)trnddc05>,
> > > Wes Groleau <groleau+news(a)freeshell.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > > The New guy wrote:
> > > > > Its always ideal to be there, but often we have better things to do
> > > > > than
> > > > > camp on Ebay all day and night. I know I spend way too much time on
> > > >
> > > > Why "camp" ? If I see something that looks like a potential bargain,
> > > > I just check on it _occasionally_ and on the last day, if it still
> > > > looks worth the effort, I put a five minute warning on my PDA.
> > >
> > > Exactly. Most of the time I spend on eBay's web site is searching for
> > > suitable auctions. Once I do find one, then I set a reminder for a few
> > > minutes before the end of the auction with a URL to the auction. Then I
> > > forget about it until the reminder pops up, and I do my sniping in 5-10
> > > minutes. Done deal.
> >
> > And if you're away from the internet or asleep? A lot of good deals end
> > up going cheap because people mistakenly end their auctions in the
> > middle of the night. Sniping solves these problems. And I guess you
> > would still snipe as late as possible, thereby eliminating auctions that
> > have already risen too high. There is no easy answer.
>
> No: the easy answer is to decide what you are willing to pay and bid
> that amount. Sniping is irrelevant, especially in the eBay world (where
> they auto-increment your bid the minimum required).
> If a sniper beats you, it's because he was willing to spend more than
> you.
> Go look up some economics papers which point out, among other things,
> that the price paid at auction is always more than the true worth of the
> object (because 99% of the bidders valued it less).

There's a competitive mentality of some buyers. Sniping is the only way
of avoiding people upping their bids to beat you. It keeps the price
low because you are not telegraphing your intentions to anybody.
From: The NewGuy on
In article <jollyroger-F3B5CF.14254404052008(a)individual.net>,
Jolly Roger <jollyroger(a)pobox.com> wrote:

> In article <noemailhere-8EDB30.10551004052008(a)news.mts.net>,
> The New guy <noemailhere(a)please.comm> wrote:
>
> > In article <jollyroger-1040B8.00521103052008(a)individual.net>,
> > Jolly Roger <jollyroger(a)pobox.com> wrote:
> >
> > > In article <7EQSj.118$aA1.66(a)trnddc05>,
> > > Wes Groleau <groleau+news(a)freeshell.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > > The New guy wrote:
> > > > > Its always ideal to be there, but often we have better things to do
> > > > > than
> > > > > camp on Ebay all day and night. I know I spend way too much time on
> > > >
> > > > Why "camp" ? If I see something that looks like a potential bargain,
> > > > I just check on it _occasionally_ and on the last day, if it still
> > > > looks worth the effort, I put a five minute warning on my PDA.
> > >
> > > Exactly. Most of the time I spend on eBay's web site is searching for
> > > suitable auctions. Once I do find one, then I set a reminder for a few
> > > minutes before the end of the auction with a URL to the auction. Then I
> > > forget about it until the reminder pops up, and I do my sniping in 5-10
> > > minutes. Done deal.
> >
> > And if you're away from the internet or asleep? A lot of good deals end
> > up going cheap because people mistakenly end their auctions in the
> > middle of the night. Sniping solves these problems. And I guess you
> > would still snipe as late as possible, thereby eliminating auctions that
> > have already risen too high. There is no easy answer.
>
> You don't know me well. ; ) I don't sleep much, and I'm pretty much
> always connected to the net.

Well you're a lot more dedicated to the online life than I ever want to
be! :) Seriously though, it feels great to "unconnect" oneself often,
even if we are lucky enough to be using a wonderful OS.
From: The NewGuy on
In article <michelle-048706.13424504052008(a)news.west.cox.net>,
Michelle Steiner <michelle(a)michelle.org> wrote:

> In article <noemailhere-301678.15281504052008(a)news.mts.net>,
> The NewGuy <noemailhere(a)please.comm> wrote:
>
> > Seriously though, it feels great to "unconnect" oneself often, even
> > if we are lucky enough to be using a wonderful OS.
>
> So unconnect yourself for a while; I did for a week, and I bet that you
> didn't even notice that I was gone.

How did it feel on the 1st day unplugged vs. the last day unplugged?
From: Wes Groleau on
The New guy wrote:
> And if you're away from the internet or asleep? A lot of good deals end
> up going cheap because people mistakenly end their auctions in the
> middle of the night. Sniping solves these problems. And I guess you

To each his own. If I check it at ten PM, and it looks
like it's worth getting up for ten minutes at three AM,
then I get up at three AM.

But it has to be really good for that. Otherwise,
I just blow it off. Another one is almost sure to
come along.

That's how I think of it. Obviously you have
a different point of view.

Anyway, how can someone "mistakenly" end it in the
middle of the night? Whether its a three-day,
five-day, seven-day, ten-day auction or whatever,
if it ends at 2:01 AM, then it started at 2:01 AM.

--
Wes Groleau

You're all individuals!
Yes, we're all individuals!
You're all different!
Yes, we are all different!
I'm not!

("Life of Brian")

From: Paul Fuchs on
Wes Groleau <groleau+news(a)freeshell.org> wrote:

> The New guy wrote:
> > And if you're away from the internet or asleep? A lot of good deals end
> > up going cheap because people mistakenly end their auctions in the
> > middle of the night. Sniping solves these problems. And I guess you
>
> To each his own. If I check it at ten PM, and it looks
> like it's worth getting up for ten minutes at three AM,
> then I get up at three AM.
>
> But it has to be really good for that. Otherwise,
> I just blow it off. Another one is almost sure to
> come along.
>
> That's how I think of it. Obviously you have
> a different point of view.
>
> Anyway, how can someone "mistakenly" end it in the
> middle of the night? Whether its a three-day,
> five-day, seven-day, ten-day auction or whatever,
> if it ends at 2:01 AM, then it started at 2:01 AM.

I use esnipe for those middle of the night auctions. They do charge 1%
for a winning auction, but it can be worth it. Started using them when
I still had a really lousy, undependable dial-up connection. I simply
could not compete with other snipers. Felt like I was going up against
assault rifles with a musket. Now I have a really lousy, undependable,
quasi broadband connection. Other than the surcharge, it's excellent.
Haven't seen a lot of highly touted applications brought forward on this
thread.
--
Never believe anything until it's officially denied.