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From: corky on 28 Jun 2008 19:59
I have been reading Thinking in Java for a couple of weeks and I think Bruce
mucked up the clarity of examples with the "simpletest" library. He has this
goofy monitor object in his examples. Perhaps I will like it later...


From: Mark Space on 29 Jun 2008 15:02
corky wrote:
> I have been reading Thinking in Java for a couple of weeks and I think Bruce
> mucked up the clarity of examples with the "simpletest" library. He has this
> goofy monitor object in his examples. Perhaps I will like it later...
>
>

That's pretty much my impression of anything I've read by Mr. Eckel:
goofy.

For Java, I prefer _Learning Java_ by O'Reilly and the Javapassion
website (run by a Sun researcher who gives free on-line courses in
various aspects of Java and Java EE).

<http://www.javapassion.com/javaintro/>
From: corky on 29 Jun 2008 16:55

"Mark Space" <markspace(a)sbc.global.net> wrote in message
news:R%Q9k.6548$L_.3424(a)flpi150.ffdc.sbc.com...
> corky wrote:
>> I have been reading Thinking in Java for a couple of weeks and I think
>> Bruce mucked up the clarity of examples with the "simpletest" library. He
>> has this goofy monitor object in his examples. Perhaps I will like it
>> later...
>
> That's pretty much my impression of anything I've read by Mr. Eckel:
> goofy.
>
> For Java, I prefer _Learning Java_ by O'Reilly and the Javapassion website
> (run by a Sun researcher who gives free on-line courses in various aspects
> of Java and Java EE).
>
> <http://www.javapassion.com/javaintro/>

Thanks, I am really suffering with the books I have found so far. I will
refer to the O'Reilly for some help. This is a good language, but the
details of OO can become painful on a beginner. Either the books are too
froofy like Eckel or too lightweight(lets make an applet with dialogue
boxes). I just want the language in plain english for a noob.


From: Mark Space on 29 Jun 2008 17:08
corky wrote:
> "Mark Space" <markspace(a)sbc.global.net> wrote in message

>> For Java, I prefer _Learning Java_ by O'Reilly and the Javapassion website
>> (run by a Sun researcher who gives free on-line courses in various aspects
>> of Java and Java EE).
>>
>> <http://www.javapassion.com/javaintro/>
>
> Thanks, I am really suffering with the books I have found so far. I will
> refer to the O'Reilly for some help. This is a good language, but the
> details of OO can become painful on a beginner. Either the books are too
> froofy like Eckel or too lightweight(lets make an applet with dialogue
> boxes). I just want the language in plain english for a noob.
>
>

While waiting for more books to arrive, you could go through the lessons
at the link I gave you. They are designed to be self-paced. The first
ones are pretty basic but they'll get you started with the Netbeans IDE
(a good IDE, imho) and also make sure you aren't missing any of the
fundamentals.

Also, the online Java tutorial that Sun provides is a decent place to
start, although I've found it to be a little less tutorial and a little
more reference.

Sun's Java tutorial:

http://java.sun.com/docs/books/tutorial/

Eventually, you'll need to refer to the on-line Java doc for the parts
of the API not covered in tutorials. Google for "java classname se 6"
will almost always get you the the Java doc for the class named classname.
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