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From: BobF on 17 Jan 2008 09:25 Now that I'm able to get copies of programs onto DVD, I would to be able to edit out ads and such. I have successfully copied the program to a DVD+RW. I can access the files on the PeaCea. Now what? It seems like the .VOB files are the only *really* important ones to use. How do I get these into MovieMaker (doesn't recognize .VOB)? Is there another app I should be looking at? -- Reality is what, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.
From: Sue Morton on 17 Jan 2008 09:47 Hi BobF, The methods to do this are as varied (and sometimes problematic) as anything else nowadays! Do you want to edit out by hand or automate? Automated is good but sometimes it takes a lot of work and tweaking for certain shows or certain channels to be detected correctly, as there is no one way to detect commercials unfortunately (of course that's by design!). I haven't used Windows Movie Maker, but VOB's are essentially mpeg's. Rip the VOB's to PC (there's several good freeware utilities available to do that).. If Movie Maker won't open a VOB directly, rename it to .mpg instead of .vob and try again. However, you may have to re-author your DVD using an MPEG to VOB utility in order to make a DVD out of it again. Not certain. I convert all my recordings to high-quality AVI rather than burn DVD format, the quality is acceptable to me and my standalone DVD player at the TV reads DivX or XVid encoded AVI's just fine, so I write data DVD R/W's with AVI files on them play them that way. There are no fancy titles or DVD interactive features, and some DVD navigation features during playback are not available, I don't need this so my solution is fine for me. If you have Nero, you may be able to use Nero to manually cut your commercials and re-author DVD's. I've not done this. I have Nero retail, a quick look suggests the possibility but I don't know for sure. All my recording is done by SageTV on a PC so I don't have to get the recordings from somewhere else like you're doing. Make my solution much easier :-) My shows record directly to .mpg on PC. I have a free program called ComSkip running against those automatically, ComSkip identifies the location and length of commercial blocks (really well but some tweaking effort was required for certain shows or channels to be detected correctly). Then the free Mencoder program runs automtically when ComSkip finishes, to cut the commercials and re-encode to DivX AVI files. Later I move these AVI's to my media player or to a DVD R/W as data files, for the TV in the livingroom. If for some reason ComSkip didn't detect the commercials successfully and some of the show was cut out, I still have the original ..mpg recording and can either try again or just convert to AVI without the commercials cut (depending on the level of effort I feel like making toward getting a perfect cut of commercials!). I'm sure someone will be along shortly to tell you a better way given that you're not recording on a PC. Using something like my method, you could rip your .vob files to PC, rename as .mpg and cut the commercials with ComSkip. Mencoder (I believe) does not have to re-encode but can cut commercials and leave it as a .mpg. Then you could re-author back to DVD. Just a thought. Not a 1-click solution though. -- Sue Morton BobF wrote: > Now that I'm able to get copies of programs onto DVD, I would to be > able to edit out ads and such. I have successfully copied the > program to a DVD+RW. I can access the files on the PeaCea. > > Now what? > > It seems like the .VOB files are the only *really* important ones to > use. How do I get these into MovieMaker (doesn't recognize .VOB)? Is > there another app I should be looking at?
From: BobF on 17 Jan 2008 09:59 Thanks for the quick response Sue! "Sue Morton" <867-5309(a)domain.invalid> wrote in message news:mUJjj.1025$EZ3.124(a)nlpi070.nbdc.sbc.com... > Hi BobF, > > The methods to do this are as varied (and sometimes problematic) as > anything else nowadays! > > Do you want to edit out by hand or automate? Automated is good but > sometimes it takes a lot of work and tweaking for certain shows or certain > channels to be detected correctly, as there is no one way to detect > commercials unfortunately (of course that's by design!). > Right now, I'll be happy with manual ... > I haven't used Windows Movie Maker, but VOB's are essentially mpeg's. Rip > the VOB's to PC (there's several good freeware utilities available to do > that).. If Movie Maker won't open a VOB directly, rename it to .mpg > instead of .vob and try again. However, you may have to re-author your > DVD using an MPEG to VOB utility in order to make a DVD out of it again. > Not certain. I tried renaming to various extensions; mpg, avi, etc ... Interestingly, they play fine with any extension in with vlc media player, BUT MovieMaker will only recognize them as audio files. > > I convert all my recordings to high-quality AVI rather than burn DVD > format, the quality is acceptable to me and my standalone DVD player at > the TV reads DivX or XVid encoded AVI's just fine, so I write data DVD > R/W's with AVI files on them play them that way. There are no fancy > titles or DVD interactive features, and some DVD navigation features > during playback are not available, I don't need this so my solution is > fine for me. > > If you have Nero, you may be able to use Nero to manually cut your > commercials and re-author DVD's. I've not done this. I have Nero retail, > a quick look suggests the possibility but I don't know for sure. I have Nero ... I'll give that a try. Unfortunately, my -regular- DVD player won't deal with RW media. My intent is to transfer to the PC using RW, then reauthor to write-once media. > > All my recording is done by SageTV on a PC so I don't have to get the > recordings from somewhere else like you're doing. Make my solution much > easier :-) My shows record directly to .mpg on PC. I have a free program > called ComSkip running against those automatically, ComSkip identifies the > location and length of commercial blocks (really well but some tweaking > effort was required for certain shows or channels to be detected > correctly). Then the free Mencoder program runs automtically when ComSkip > finishes, to cut the commercials and re-encode to DivX AVI files. Later I > move these AVI's to my media player or to a DVD R/W as data files, for the > TV in the livingroom. If for some reason ComSkip didn't detect the > commercials successfully and some of the show was cut out, I still have > the original .mpg recording and can either try again or just convert to > AVI without the commercials cut (depending on the level of effort I feel > like making toward getting a perfect cut of commercials!). > > I'm sure someone will be along shortly to tell you a better way given that > you're not recording on a PC. Using something like my method, you could > rip your .vob files to PC, rename as .mpg and cut the commercials with > ComSkip. Mencoder (I believe) does not have to re-encode but can cut > commercials and leave it as a .mpg. Then you could re-author back to DVD. > Just a thought. Not a 1-click solution though. > -- > Sue Morton Yep, I'm sure there are at least as many approaches/apps for this as there are for audio work :-)) Thanks again - off to fire up Nero!!!
From: R. Lamar Duffy on 17 Jan 2008 12:43 Sue, > I haven't used Windows Movie Maker, but VOB's are essentially mpeg's. Rip > the VOB's to PC ... rename it to .mpg Have you ever noticed timing problems doing this? I've had times where I just renamed the VOBs to do editting in Vegas, for example, & noticed that audio & video seem a little out of sync, getting worse the further along the timeline you go. But I've also had intermittent sync problems using a variety of DVD ripping programs as well. Lamar
From: Sue Morton on 17 Jan 2008 14:46
Some programs I've tried do lose sync, yes I've experienced that. I haven't had any sync issues with Mencoder (so far... knock on wood!). -- Sue Morton R. Lamar Duffy wrote: > Sue, > >> I haven't used Windows Movie Maker, but VOB's are essentially >> mpeg's. Rip the VOB's to PC ... rename it to .mpg > > Have you ever noticed timing problems doing this? I've had times > where I just renamed the VOBs to do editting in Vegas, for example, & > noticed that audio & video seem a little out of sync, getting worse > the further along the timeline you go. But I've also had > intermittent sync problems using a variety of DVD ripping programs as > well. > Lamar |