From: funkyarmadillo on
I want some recommendations on which one of the two would be a good
purchase. Price (for refurbished) is about the same. I cannot find
any real difference between the two looking at specs. So maybe
someone knows how they differ.. I currently use an Epson 2450 that I
like, but think one of these would be an upgrade. Thanks.

BTW: What is the deal with Digital ICE technology. A good thing? or
not.
From: Barry Watzman on
Digital ICE is wonderful, I would not buy a scanner without it. But it
does not work on all film types. It's best, by far, for color
negatives, results with color slides vary greatly depending on the film
type and the exact implementation. But when it works (and it works very
well indeed on almost all color negatives), it's pure magic.


funkyarmadillo(a)gmail.com wrote:
> I want some recommendations on which one of the two would be a good
> purchase. Price (for refurbished) is about the same. I cannot find
> any real difference between the two looking at specs. So maybe
> someone knows how they differ.. I currently use an Epson 2450 that I
> like, but think one of these would be an upgrade. Thanks.
>
> BTW: What is the deal with Digital ICE technology. A good thing? or
> not.
From: Robert Jasiek on
On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 20:49:02 -0800 (PST), funkyarmadillo(a)gmail.com
wrote:
>I want some recommendations on which one of the two would be a good
>purchase.

And one more question: how do they compare to the V10 with respect to
scanning books?
From: netcat on
In article <465mo3di8q5d88a9abm656rpaq0v2rb6hk(a)4ax.com>, jasiek(a)snafu.de
says...
> On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 20:49:02 -0800 (PST), funkyarmadillo(a)gmail.com
> wrote:
> >I want some recommendations on which one of the two would be a good
> >purchase.
>
> And one more question: how do they compare to the V10 with respect to
> scanning books?
>

It seems like nobody wants to answer questions about V10 or V100.
I myself have stared at the Epson site for hours on end trying to
determine what the difference between those models is. There doesn't
seem to be any. Do you know, by any chance?

rgds,
netcat
From: Robert Jasiek on
On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 16:58:52 +0200, netcat
<netcat(a)devnull.eridani.eol.ee> wrote:
>It seems like nobody wants to answer questions about V10 or V100.
>I myself have stared at the Epson site for hours on end trying to
>determine what the difference between those models is. There doesn't
>seem to be any. Do you know, by any chance?

I have come to essentially the same conclusion:)

Giving Epson another call, they said that V10/V100 is not really for
scanning books because after 1 hour they need a pause to cool down.
However, it was a hopeless attempt to let them say anything about a
comparison to V350 and 4490, except that the latter "are better and
yet better". Testing in a local shop (Berlin) is no alternative,
either, because nowhere would they dare to connect any scanner to a PC
for a test scan (being afraid of losing money). And PC magazines? They
enjoy testing high end products more than ordinary consumer market
scanners. Sigh.

This leaves us with "Buy and throw away" or "Spend $1,000 for a decent
model right away"...

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If it helps you, here is my comparison table for Epson flatbeds
(sorry, in German):




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<P CLASS="western">180</P>
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<P CLASS="western">74</P>
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<P CLASS="western">90</P>

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<P CLASS="western">249</P>
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<P CLASS="western">496</P>
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<P CLASS="western">x</P>
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<P CLASS="western">x</P>
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<TD WIDTH=10%>
<P CLASS="western">x</P>
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<P CLASS="western">x</P>
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<TD WIDTH=10%>
<P CLASS="western">x</P>
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<TD WIDTH=10%>
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<P CLASS="western">A4</P>
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<TD WIDTH=10%>
<P CLASS="western">x</P>

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<P CLASS="western">x</P>
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<TD WIDTH=10%>
<P CLASS="western">x</P>
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<P CLASS="western">x</P>
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<P CLASS="western">x</P>
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<P CLASS="western">x</P>
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<P CLASS="western">x</P>
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<P CLASS="western">Dia</P>
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<P CLASS="western">x</P>
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<P CLASS="western"><BR>
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<P CLASS="western">-</P>

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<P CLASS="western">-</P>
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<P CLASS="western">x</P>
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<P CLASS="western">x</P>
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<P CLASS="western">x</P>
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<TD WIDTH=10%>
<P CLASS="western">x</P>

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<TD WIDTH=10%>
<P CLASS="western">x</P>
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<P CLASS="western">USB 2.0</P>

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<P CLASS="western">x</P>
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<P CLASS="western"><BR>
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<TD WIDTH=10%>
<P CLASS="western">x</P>
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<P CLASS="western">x</P>
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<P CLASS="western">x</P>

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<P CLASS="western">x</P>
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<P CLASS="western">x+</P>
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<P CLASS="western">CCD</P>
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<P CLASS="western">x</P>
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<P CLASS="western">x</P>
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<TD WIDTH=10%>
<P CLASS="western">x</P>
</TD>
<TD WIDTH=10%>
<P CLASS="western">x</P>

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<TD WIDTH=10%>
<P CLASS="western">x</P>
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<TD WIDTH=10%>
<P CLASS="western">x</P>
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<P CLASS="western">Zeilen</P>
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<TD WIDTH=10%>
<P CLASS="western">?</P>
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<P CLASS="western">6</P>
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<P CLASS="western">6</P>
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<P CLASS="western">12</P>
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<TD WIDTH=10%>
<P CLASS="western">6</P>
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<TD WIDTH=10%>
<P CLASS="western">6</P>

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<P CLASS="western">Vista</P>
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<TD WIDTH=10%>
<P CLASS="western">x</P>

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<P CLASS="western"><BR>
</P>
</TD>
<TD WIDTH=10%>
<P CLASS="western">x</P>
</TD>

<TD WIDTH=10%>
<P CLASS="western">x</P>
</TD>
<TD WIDTH=10%>
<P CLASS="western">-</P>
</TD>
<TD WIDTH=10%>
<P CLASS="western">x</P>

</TD>
<TD WIDTH=10%>
<P CLASS="western">-</P>
</TD>
<TD WIDTH=10%>
<P CLASS="western">x</P>
</TD>
<TD WIDTH=10%>

<P CLASS="western">x</P>
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<P CLASS="western">dpi</P>
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<P CLASS="western">4800</P>
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<P CLASS="western">3200</P>

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<TD WIDTH=10%>
<P CLASS="western">3200</P>
</TD>
<TD WIDTH=10%>
<P CLASS="western">4800</P>
</TD>
<TD WIDTH=10%>

<P CLASS="western">4800</P>
</TD>
<TD WIDTH=10%>
<P CLASS="western">6400+</P>
</TD>
<TD WIDTH=10%>
<P CLASS="western">6400</P>

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<P CLASS="western">6400</P>
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<P CLASS="western">Dmax</P>

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<P CLASS="western">3,4</P>
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<TD WIDTH=10%>
<P CLASS="western"><BR>
</P>
</TD>

<TD WIDTH=10%>
<P CLASS="western">3,2</P>
</TD>
<TD WIDTH=10%>
<P CLASS="western">3,2</P>
</TD>
<TD WIDTH=10%>
<P CLASS="western">3,2</P>

</TD>
<TD WIDTH=10%>
<P CLASS="western">3,2</P>
</TD>
<TD WIDTH=10%>
<P CLASS="western">3,4</P>
</TD>
<TD WIDTH=10%>

<P CLASS="western">4,0</P>
</TD>
<TD WIDTH=10%>
<P CLASS="western">4,0</P>
</TD>
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<TD WIDTH=10%>

<P CLASS="western">bit intern</P>
</TD>
<TD WIDTH=10%>
<P CLASS="western">48</P>
</TD>
<TD WIDTH=10%>
<P CLASS="western"><BR>
</P>

</TD>
<TD WIDTH=10%>
<P CLASS="western">48</P>
</TD>
<TD WIDTH=10%>
<P CLASS="western">48</P>
</TD>
<TD WIDTH=10%>

<P CLASS="western">48</P>
</TD>
<TD WIDTH=10%>
<P CLASS="western">48</P>
</TD>
<TD WIDTH=10%>
<P CLASS="western">48</P>

</TD>
<TD WIDTH=10%>
<P CLASS="western">48</P>
</TD>
<TD WIDTH=10%>
<P CLASS="western">48</P>
</TD>
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<P CLASS="western">bit extern</P>
</TD>
<TD WIDTH=10%>
<P CLASS="western">48, 24</P>
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<TD WIDTH=10%>

<P CLASS="western"><BR>
</P>
</TD>
<TD WIDTH=10%>
<P CLASS="western">48, 24</P>
</TD>
<TD WIDTH=10%>
<P CLASS="western">48</P>

</TD>
<TD WIDTH=10%>
<P CLASS="western">48, 24</P>
</TD>
<TD WIDTH=10%>
<P CLASS="western">48, 24</P>
</TD>
<TD WIDTH=10%>

<P CLASS="western">48 24</P>
</TD>
<TD WIDTH=10%>
<P CLASS="western">48, 24</P>
</TD>
<TD WIDTH=10%>
<P CLASS="western">48, 24</P>

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<P CLASS="western">bit Grau</P>
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<TD WIDTH=10%>
<P CLASS="western">16, 8, 1</P>

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<TD WIDTH=10%>
<P CLASS="western"><BR>
</P>
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<TD WIDTH=10%>
<P CLASS="western">16, 8</P>
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<TD WIDTH=10%>
<P CLASS="western">16</P>
</TD>
<TD WIDTH=10%>
<P CLASS="western">16, 8, 1</P>
</TD>
<TD WIDTH=10%>
<P CLASS="western">16, 8, 1</P>

</TD>
<TD WIDTH=10%>
<P CLASS="western">16, 8, 1</P>
</TD>
<TD WIDTH=10%>
<P CLASS="western">16, 8, 1</P>
</TD>
<TD WIDTH=10%>

<P CLASS="western">16, 8, 1</P>
</TD>
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<P CLASS="western">Sekunden</P>
</TD>
<TD WIDTH=10%>

<P CLASS="western">27</P>
</TD>
<TD WIDTH=10%>
<P CLASS="western"><BR>
</P>
</TD>
<TD WIDTH=10%>
<P CLASS="western">34</P>

</TD>
<TD WIDTH=10%>
<P CLASS="western">?</P>
</TD>
<TD WIDTH=10%>
<P CLASS="western">30</P>
</TD>
<TD WIDTH=10%>

<P CLASS="western">35</P>
</TD>
<TD WIDTH=10%>
<P CLASS="western">?</P>
</TD>
<TD WIDTH=10%>
<P CLASS="western">25</P>

</TD>
<TD WIDTH=10%>
<P CLASS="western">25</P>
</TD>
</TR>
<TR VALIGN=TOP>
<TD WIDTH=10%>
<P CLASS="western">Staub</P>

</TD>
<TD WIDTH=10%>
<P CLASS="western">x</P>
</TD>
<TD WIDTH=10%>
<P CLASS="western"><BR>
</P>
</TD>

<TD WIDTH=10%>
<P CLASS="western">x</P>
</TD>
<TD WIDTH=10%>
<P CLASS="western">?</P>
</TD>
<TD WIDTH=10%>
<P CLASS="western">x</P>

</TD>
<TD WIDTH=10%>
<P CLASS="western">x</P>
</TD>
<TD WIDTH=10%>
<P CLASS="western">x</P>
</TD>
<TD WIDTH=10%>

<P CLASS="western">x</P>
</TD>
<TD WIDTH=10%>
<P CLASS="western">x</P>
</TD>
</TR>
<TR VALIGN=TOP>
<TD WIDTH=10%>

<P CLASS="western">Copy</P>
</TD>
<TD WIDTH=10%>
<P CLASS="western">x</P>
</TD>
<TD WIDTH=10%>
<P CLASS="western"><BR>
</P>

</TD>
<TD WIDTH=10%>
<P CLASS="western">x</P>
</TD>
<TD WIDTH=10%>
<P CLASS="western">x</P>
</TD>
<TD WIDTH=10%>

<P CLASS="western">?</P>
</TD>
<TD WIDTH=10%>
<P CLASS="western">x</P>
</TD>
<TD WIDTH=10%>
<P CLASS="western">?</P>

</TD>
<TD WIDTH=10%>
<P CLASS="western">?</P>
</TD>
<TD WIDTH=10%>
<P CLASS="western">?</P>
</TD>
</TR>

<TR VALIGN=TOP>
<TD WIDTH=10%>
<P CLASS="western">Pause nach 1h</P>
</TD>
<TD WIDTH=10%>
<P CLASS="western">(+) nein</P>
</TD>
<TD WIDTH=10%>

<P CLASS="western"><BR>
</P>
</TD>
<TD WIDTH=10%>
<P CLASS="western">(-) ja</P>
</TD>
<TD WIDTH=10%>
<P CLASS="western">?</P>

</TD>
<TD WIDTH=10%>
<P CLASS="western">?</P>
</TD>
<TD WIDTH=10%>
<P CLASS="western">(+) nein</P>
</TD>
<TD WIDTH=10%>

<P CLASS="western">?</P>
</TD>
<TD WIDTH=10%>
<P CLASS="western">?</P>
</TD>
<TD WIDTH=10%>
<P CLASS="western">?</P>

</TD>
</TR>
<TR VALIGN=TOP>
<TD WIDTH=10%>
<P CLASS="western">SW</P>
</TD>
<TD WIDTH=10%>
<P CLASS="western">Adobe&reg; Photoshope&reg;
Elements, ABBYY&reg;

FineReader&reg; Sprint Plus OCR, Epson
Creativity Suite, NewSoft&trade;
Presto!&reg; BizCard, Epson Scan with Epson
Easy Photo Fix&trade;
Technology
</P>
</TD>
<TD WIDTH=10%>

<P CLASS="western"><BR>
</P>
</TD>
<TD WIDTH=10%>
<P CLASS="western">?</P>
</TD>
<TD WIDTH=10%>
<P CLASS="western">Epson Scan with Epson Easy
Photo Fix
Technology, Epson Creativity Suite,
ArcSoft&reg; PhotoImpression,
ABBYY&reg; FineReader&reg; Sprint Plus OCR
</P>

</TD>
<TD WIDTH=10%>
<P CLASS="western">Epson Scan V. 3.1<BR>Epson
Creativity
Suite<BR>ArcSoft PhotoImpression&reg;
6<BR>ABBYY FineReader&reg; 6
Sprint Plus (PC)
</P>
</TD>
<TD WIDTH=10%>

<P CLASS="western">Epson Scan with Epson Easy
Photo Fix
Technology, Epson Creativity Suite,
ArcSoft&reg; PhotoImpression,&trade;
ABBYY&reg; FineReader&reg; Sprint Plus OCR
</P>
</TD>
<TD WIDTH=10%>
<P CLASS="western">Epson Scan, Epson
Creativity Suite inkl. Epson
CopyUtility, Epson Event Manager, Epson Attach
to Email, Epson
File Manager, Epson ScanAssistant, Adobe&reg;
Photoshop&reg;

Elements 4 (PC), ABBYY&reg; FineReader&reg; 6
Sprint Plus (PC),
ABBYY&reg; FineReader&reg; 5
</P>
</TD>
<TD WIDTH=10%>
<P CLASS="western">LaserSoft Imaging&trade;
SilverFast&reg; SE 6,
Adobe&reg; Photoshope&reg; Elements,
ABBYY&reg; FineReader&reg;

Sprint Plus OCR, Epson Copy Utility, Epson
Scan with Epson Easy
Photo Fix&trade; Technology (Epson Scan and
LaserSoft Imaging
SilverFast SE 6 will run on Windows XP x64
Edition)
</P>
</TD>
<TD WIDTH=10%>
<P CLASS="western">?</P>
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