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From: measekite on 19 May 2005 10:34 Arthur Entlich wrote: > The 7600 is a 24" wide machine designed for poster sized prints and is > built for industrial use, using 110 and 220 ml ink cartridges, and > costing well over $1000. > > These units (7600, 9600, 10000 series) do have a user serviceable > waste ink "box" but even that is chipped to require people to stick > with an Epson product. and to not reuse the old one. > > This is one of my pet peeves with Epson printers. > > As I have often said, I like certain things about Epsons and I hate > certain things about Epsons. It seems that the things that are not in your favor have more to do with the Corporation than with the product. > > Art > > measekite wrote: > >> >> >> Shooter wrote: >> >>> I would say the person you say knows in fact has very little >>> knowledge of >>> how Epson's work otherwise they would know about waste pads and why >>> an Epson >>> has to be reset. Some people seem to think printers should run for >>> ever and >>> ever without service. You say you have never kept a printer that long >>> because you upgraded, well that may also be true about Epson owners, >>> having >>> said that there are of course users who require a high output from >>> their >>> printers and it is this group that have to have machines reset even >>> if they >>> replace the pads themselves, I would think that many other makes >>> would have >>> given up completely well before an Epson requires a reset. >>> >>> >> >> These heavy users are probably using the wrong machine. I believe >> that the new 2200 (I think or maybe the 7600) has a door in the side >> to pull out and replace the pads as a consumable item like the ink is. >> >>> >>> "Mike" <noot1967(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message >>> news:d6fqo2$2c6$1(a)nntp0.reith.bbc.co.uk... >>> >>> >>>> Hi - I just had this statement emailed to me by somebody who ususally >>>> >>> >>> >>> knows >>> >>> >>>> about these things in a professional capacity: >>>> >>>> "Epsons are built to stop functioning when the internal counter >>>> reaches a >>>> certain number, and you do need to be aware of this. Many people >>>> >>> >>> >>> aren't.!!" >>> >>> >>>> I find this very hard to believe - is it true? I have owned Epsons for >>>> >>> >>> >>> many >>> >>> >>>> years and never had much trouble with them - but I have never kept one >>>> single printer for very long because I keep upgrading, so I might >>>> not have >>>> reached the "fatal" number of prints on one machine. >>>> >>>> Cheers >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>
From: Arthur Entlich on 19 May 2005 10:46 I believe the one exception in the Epson line up of consumer printers is the newer PictureMate model for 4x6" prints. It actually has the waste ink area in the cartridge, so the ink is pumped out of the head nozzles during cleaning cycles and then somehow pumped back into special chambers in the ink cartridge, so when the cartridge runs out of ink, the waste ink goes with it. Art Tony wrote: > All inkjets produce waste ink (in the same way laser printers produce waste > toner). This ink has to be stored somewhere other than in the printer mechanism > or on the paper. Different manufacturers handle this in different ways. Canon > and Epson use a similar system of storing the waste ink in a felt like pad, > often covering large areas of the printer base. The built in electronics > estimate when the pad is nearing saturation and this results in the deliberate > error message. Unfortunately Epson has in the past made this message somewhat > obscure. The replacement of the waste ink pad is a job for someone who is > technically experienced (especially in less recent models) and therefore they > do not readily make the reset code available, lest someone simply resets the > printer and does not replace the pad potentially resulting in ink all over the > place! The codes are however available from various sources on the internet; > use with care, most Epson printers will survive one reset without replacing the > pads but don't blame me if your printer floods your desk! Most HP inkjets have > cartridges with built in heads, these also produce waste which is stored in a > service station of various types, there is no count done by most HP's inkjets > so when the service station fills up the printhead carriage starts to > "bulldoze" the waste ink, spreading it in a fine spray over parts of the > printer, in severe cases ink actually starts to ooze from the printer base! HP > provides instructions on their website for emptying many of their printer > service stations. I suggest that anybody who has an older HP inkjet printer > checks out the website especially if the printer covers start to subtly change > colour around the head parking area (quite a subtle and slow change). It is a > big job to clean out any inkjet that has become badly contaminated with ink, > prevention is cheaper than cure! > Tony > > "Mike" <noot1967(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > >>Hi - I just had this statement emailed to me by somebody who ususally knows >>about these things in a professional capacity: >> >>"Epsons are built to stop functioning when the internal counter reaches a >>certain number, and you do need to be aware of this. Many people aren't.!!" >> >>I find this very hard to believe - is it true? I have owned Epsons for many >>years and never had much trouble with them - but I have never kept one >>single printer for very long because I keep upgrading, so I might not have >>reached the "fatal" number of prints on one machine. >> >>Cheers >> >> > >
From: Davy on 19 May 2005 11:35 Just to add. The flashing lights quite rightly is usually a warning sign as stated BUT what is not mentioned is that with modern printers there's usually a message in the drivers window with a warning triangle or something. But very little indication of the actual fault and the EPSON model has not been given, we are only assuming that it is the waste pads as described. Mike say's that he has not had it for very long, again no indication how long, we don't know the model, we don't know the symptoms and we don't even know the usage. Just because it stopped printing don't say it's the waste pad So, WE only know this guy say's so without any further advice from this guy indicating very little knowledge, the type of response you get from Customer Services and not a Technical Department or a Printer Repair Technician. Davy.
From: Davy on 19 May 2005 13:34 The pump system on many an Epson printer consist of a plastic tube the far end connects to the waste pad. the pump end is situated, for obvious reasons in the 'head park tray' just prior to where this is connected it goes through a 'U' turn moulding, imagine a wheel with a llittle bump or hammer on it rotating from a coupling from the paper feed gears, as the wheel rotates the bump or hammer pushes against the tube in a rotational manner, since the tube is being 'squashed' in a 'U' formation causes the ink to be drawn through the tube by suction. With the Picture Mate, the waste could well be collected by the ink cartridge as waste in a seperate chamber and then 'thrown out' with the empty tank, why not with all printers? Incidentally in a C80 this plastic tube is a common cause for bad printing and clogged heads it has a habit of coming away from the end of the head tray, causing ink to build and dry in the 'head park'. Davy
From: Tony on 19 May 2005 16:07
Thanks Art I wasn't aware of that; a clever solution.. Tony Arthur Entlich <e-printerhelp(a)mvps.org> wrote: >I believe the one exception in the Epson line up of consumer printers is >the newer PictureMate model for 4x6" prints. It actually has the waste >ink area in the cartridge, so the ink is pumped out of the head nozzles >during cleaning cycles and then somehow pumped back into special >chambers in the ink cartridge, so when the cartridge runs out of ink, >the waste ink goes with it. > >Art > > >Tony wrote: > >> All inkjets produce waste ink (in the same way laser printers produce waste >> toner). This ink has to be stored somewhere other than in the printer >>mechanism >> or on the paper. Different manufacturers handle this in different ways. >>Canon >> and Epson use a similar system of storing the waste ink in a felt like pad, >> often covering large areas of the printer base. The built in electronics >> estimate when the pad is nearing saturation and this results in the >>deliberate >> error message. Unfortunately Epson has in the past made this message >>somewhat >> obscure. The replacement of the waste ink pad is a job for someone who is >> technically experienced (especially in less recent models) and therefore >>they >> do not readily make the reset code available, lest someone simply resets the >> printer and does not replace the pad potentially resulting in ink all over >>the >> place! The codes are however available from various sources on the internet; >> use with care, most Epson printers will survive one reset without replacing >>the >> pads but don't blame me if your printer floods your desk! Most HP inkjets >>have >> cartridges with built in heads, these also produce waste which is stored in >>a >> service station of various types, there is no count done by most HP's >>inkjets >> so when the service station fills up the printhead carriage starts to >> "bulldoze" the waste ink, spreading it in a fine spray over parts of the >> printer, in severe cases ink actually starts to ooze from the printer base! >>HP >> provides instructions on their website for emptying many of their printer >> service stations. I suggest that anybody who has an older HP inkjet printer >> checks out the website especially if the printer covers start to subtly >>change >> colour around the head parking area (quite a subtle and slow change). It is >>a >> big job to clean out any inkjet that has become badly contaminated with ink, >> prevention is cheaper than cure! >> Tony >> >> "Mike" <noot1967(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: >> >>>Hi - I just had this statement emailed to me by somebody who ususally knows >>>about these things in a professional capacity: >>> >>>"Epsons are built to stop functioning when the internal counter reaches a >>>certain number, and you do need to be aware of this. Many people aren't.!!" >>> >>>I find this very hard to believe - is it true? I have owned Epsons for many >>>years and never had much trouble with them - but I have never kept one >>>single printer for very long because I keep upgrading, so I might not have >>>reached the "fatal" number of prints on one machine. >>> >>>Cheers >>> >>> >> >> |