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From: measekite on 21 May 2005 14:13 Arthur Entlich wrote: > The little suction pump reminds me of a miniature milking machine. > > I wish the problem with the tube coming off was just the C80. I have > helped people with this problem with C82, C84, CX 5200, CX 4600 all in > one. AND, worse yet, the dang tube tends to fall off during cartridge > replacement, so all the sudden the printer stops working after a > cartridge has been replaced. > > Worse still, Epson is very tight-lipped about it, and if it occurs out > of warranty, they have nothing to say at all. > > I find that approach unreasonable. This is a manufacturing or design > defect, and Epson ought to take responsibility for it. > > Art It seems there are a lot of things that Epson does not take responsibility for. > > Davy wrote: > >> The pump system on many an Epson printer consist of a plastic tube the >> far end connects to the waste pad. the pump end is situated, for >> obvious reasons in the 'head park tray' just prior to where this is >> connected it goes through a 'U' turn moulding, imagine a wheel with a >> llittle bump or hammer on it rotating from a coupling from the paper >> feed gears, as the wheel rotates the bump or hammer pushes against >> the tube in a rotational manner, since the tube is being 'squashed' >> in a 'U' formation causes the ink to be drawn through the tube by >> suction. >> >> With the Picture Mate, the waste could well be collected by the ink >> cartridge as waste in a seperate chamber and then 'thrown out' with >> the empty tank, why not with all printers? >> >> Incidentally in a C80 this plastic tube is a common cause for bad >> printing and clogged heads it has a habit of coming away from the >> end of the head tray, causing ink to build and dry in the 'head >> park'. >> >> Davy >>
From: Arthur Entlich on 23 May 2005 10:48 I don't disagree. I find this to be a pervasive problem in the computer hardware business. I have rarely found a company that doesn't shirk some of it's responsibilities. Canon, as an example seem less than forthright about the stability of their ink, and the reliability of their printer heads. They have developed a new head for their professional wide carriage printers and are supplying pigment colorant inks for them, with a gloss and matte ink, amazingly very similar sounding to Epson's ink system. I could enumerate personal stories with bad technology and poor company response from dozens of high tech companies, including Epson. I've never said otherwise. I just know a lot more about the issues with Epson products because I deal with people who encounter them. I don't think they have anything approaching a monopoly for problems, even in the printer industry, however, and they certainly do make some innovative designs along the way. Art measekite wrote: > > > Arthur Entlich wrote: > >> The little suction pump reminds me of a miniature milking machine. >> >> I wish the problem with the tube coming off was just the C80. I have >> helped people with this problem with C82, C84, CX 5200, CX 4600 all in >> one. AND, worse yet, the dang tube tends to fall off during cartridge >> replacement, so all the sudden the printer stops working after a >> cartridge has been replaced. >> >> Worse still, Epson is very tight-lipped about it, and if it occurs out >> of warranty, they have nothing to say at all. >> >> I find that approach unreasonable. This is a manufacturing or design >> defect, and Epson ought to take responsibility for it. >> >> Art > > > > It seems there are a lot of things that Epson does not take > responsibility for. > >> >> Davy wrote: >> >>> The pump system on many an Epson printer consist of a plastic tube the >>> far end connects to the waste pad. the pump end is situated, for >>> obvious reasons in the 'head park tray' just prior to where this is >>> connected it goes through a 'U' turn moulding, imagine a wheel with a >>> llittle bump or hammer on it rotating from a coupling from the paper >>> feed gears, as the wheel rotates the bump or hammer pushes against >>> the tube in a rotational manner, since the tube is being 'squashed' >>> in a 'U' formation causes the ink to be drawn through the tube by >>> suction. >>> >>> With the Picture Mate, the waste could well be collected by the ink >>> cartridge as waste in a seperate chamber and then 'thrown out' with >>> the empty tank, why not with all printers? >>> >>> Incidentally in a C80 this plastic tube is a common cause for bad >>> printing and clogged heads it has a habit of coming away from the >>> end of the head tray, causing ink to build and dry in the 'head >>> park'. >>> >>> Davy >>>
From: measekite on 23 May 2005 12:27 Arthur Entlich wrote: > I don't disagree. I find this to be a pervasive problem in the > computer hardware business. I have rarely found a company that > doesn't shirk some of it's responsibilities. Canon, as an example > seem less than forthright about the stability of their ink, and the > reliability of their printer heads. They have developed a new head > for their professional wide carriage printers and are supplying > pigment colorant inks for them, with a gloss and matte ink, amazingly > very similar sounding to Epson's ink system. > > I could enumerate personal stories with bad technology and poor > company response from dozens of high tech companies, including Epson. You forgot about Microsoft. ;-) > I've never said otherwise. I just know a lot more about the issues > with Epson products because I deal with people who encounter them. I > don't think they have anything approaching a monopoly for problems, > even in the printer industry, however, and they certainly do make some > innovative designs along the way. > > Art While I use OEM ink (best for my purposes) Epson, more than the other companies, have thus far put out designs that appears to foil or make difficult using other ink. Notwithstanding my feeling about the 3rd party ink hawkers and the way they do business along with many poor quality inks that can damage printers, I would like to see a strong, honest, professional, and full disclosing aftermarket ink industry that will sell BRANDED ink in both bottles and prefilled carts through all of the marketing channels (Brick & Mortor like Costco and Office Depot as well online) . This will help to drive down the overpriced OEM ink alternatives. > > measekite wrote: > >> >> >> Arthur Entlich wrote: >> >>> The little suction pump reminds me of a miniature milking machine. >>> >>> I wish the problem with the tube coming off was just the C80. I >>> have helped people with this problem with C82, C84, CX 5200, CX 4600 >>> all in one. AND, worse yet, the dang tube tends to fall off during >>> cartridge replacement, so all the sudden the printer stops working >>> after a cartridge has been replaced. >>> >>> Worse still, Epson is very tight-lipped about it, and if it occurs >>> out of warranty, they have nothing to say at all. >>> >>> I find that approach unreasonable. This is a manufacturing or >>> design defect, and Epson ought to take responsibility for it. >>> >>> Art >> >> >> >> >> It seems there are a lot of things that Epson does not take >> responsibility for. >> >>> >>> Davy wrote: >>> >>>> The pump system on many an Epson printer consist of a plastic tube the >>>> far end connects to the waste pad. the pump end is situated, for >>>> obvious reasons in the 'head park tray' just prior to where this is >>>> connected it goes through a 'U' turn moulding, imagine a wheel with a >>>> llittle bump or hammer on it rotating from a coupling from the paper >>>> feed gears, as the wheel rotates the bump or hammer pushes against >>>> the tube in a rotational manner, since the tube is being 'squashed' >>>> in a 'U' formation causes the ink to be drawn through the tube by >>>> suction. >>>> >>>> With the Picture Mate, the waste could well be collected by the ink >>>> cartridge as waste in a seperate chamber and then 'thrown out' with >>>> the empty tank, why not with all printers? >>>> >>>> Incidentally in a C80 this plastic tube is a common cause for bad >>>> printing and clogged heads it has a habit of coming away from the >>>> end of the head tray, causing ink to build and dry in the 'head >>>> park'. >>>> >>>> Davy >>>>
From: Burt on 23 May 2005 12:59 "measekite" <measekite(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message news:Uvnke.644$rY6.593(a)newssvr13.news.prodigy.com... (snip) > Notwithstanding my feeling about the 3rd party ink hawkers and the way > they do business along with many poor quality inks that can damage > printers, I would like to see a strong, honest, professional, and full > disclosing aftermarket ink industry that will sell BRANDED ink in both > bottles and prefilled carts through all of the marketing channels (Brick & > Mortor like Costco and Office Depot as well online) . This will help to > drive down the overpriced OEM ink alternatives. The model that current internet vendors use for third party ink/cart sales is considerably less expensive than even the "big box" brick and mortar businesses such as Costco and Office Depot. Although you don't like theses e-vendors' business methods and disparage them constantly, they offer the consumer the best pricing on these products. Add more sophisticated packaging, more personel and management salaries, and another layer or more of profit taking in the chain of distribution, and the prices go up considerably for these products. In addition, I would bet that the OEM products would not drop in price with broader distribution of third party products. Market forces notwithstanding, the public is generally fearful of straying from the manufacturers' recommendations. > >> >> measekite wrote: >> >>> (snip)
From: measekite on 23 May 2005 13:10
Burt wrote: >"measekite" <measekite(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message >news:Uvnke.644$rY6.593(a)newssvr13.news.prodigy.com... > >(snip) > > > >>Notwithstanding my feeling about the 3rd party ink hawkers and the way >>they do business along with many poor quality inks that can damage >>printers, I would like to see a strong, honest, professional, and full >>disclosing aftermarket ink industry that will sell BRANDED ink in both >>bottles and prefilled carts through all of the marketing channels (Brick & >>Mortor like Costco and Office Depot as well online) . This will help to >>drive down the overpriced OEM ink alternatives. >> >> > >The model that current internet vendors use for third party ink/cart sales >is considerably less expensive than even the "big box" brick and mortar >businesses such as Costco and Office Depot. Although you don't like theses >e-vendors' business methods and disparage them constantly, they offer the >consumer the best pricing on these products. Add more sophisticated >packaging, more personel and management salaries, and another layer or more >of profit taking in the chain of distribution, and the prices go up >considerably for these products. In addition, I would bet that the OEM >products would not drop in price with broader distribution of third party >products. Market forces notwithstanding, the public is generally fearful of >straying from the manufacturers' recommendations. > > And with good reason. However, I said that the distribution by manufacturers should be between all of the channels. Let say that Sensinet packaged 2oz and 4 oz bottles as well as prefilled carts and sold them on their own webstore just like Canon and Epson as well as through brick and mortar stores under their own name. You could then choose to buy that BRAND anywhere and compare prices as well. Once Sensinet established BRAND recognition with the public Epson and Canon would have a viable competitor. Once sales are taken away from them they would have to rethink their pricing. Also, if it was proved that their ink was inferior and you were getting is from Costco, you would not turn to Office Depot and unknowingly buy the same thing. > > >>>measekite wrote: >>> >>> >>> >(snip) > > > > |