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From: Matt on 5 Nov 2007 15:30 Our environment: 1 x Exchange 2003 Enterprise Server (We're in the migration process. Sending/Receiving between all servers works properly.) 2 x Exchange 2007 Mailbox Servers (CCR Configuration) 2 x Exchange 2007 Hub Transport / Client Access Servers Problem: The Messages Queued for Submission performance monitor on our Active Node is currently sitting at 21. This seems to have occured just this week, though it initially started at 7 and has slowly increased. This is reporting on 17 (of 21) messages in our First Storage Group, and 4 (of 21) in our Third Storage Group. Both storage groups are Mailbox only. We have 250 mailboxes on this configuration and have not experienced any mail flow issues. The queue's on the Hub Transports are both fine, there are no messages stuck in them, and running the troubleshooting assistant confirms that everything is well. The only reason I've noticed this issue is because I monitor the server with Spotlight for Exchange, which evidently is querying the performance counters for each storage group to obtain that figure. So I have a few questions... 1. Is there a way to view these 'queued' messages on the Mailbox server? It obviously doesn't run the Transport service so Queue viewer isn't of any help. 2. What would cause this to happen? I've found this technet article http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb232109.aspx which is similar, but we definitely do not have a bottleneck and the MS Exchange Mail Submission service is running. These messages just appear "stuck". Any help is greatly appreciated! Cheers, Matt
From: Paul on 28 Nov 2007 19:37 I have also come across this situation and looking for solutions. Where you able to get any info on this? "Matt" wrote: > Our environment: > 1 x Exchange 2003 Enterprise Server (We're in the migration process. > Sending/Receiving between all servers works properly.) > 2 x Exchange 2007 Mailbox Servers (CCR Configuration) > 2 x Exchange 2007 Hub Transport / Client Access Servers > > Problem: > The Messages Queued for Submission performance monitor on our Active Node is > currently sitting at 21. This seems to have occured just this week, though > it initially started at 7 and has slowly increased. This is reporting on 17 > (of 21) messages in our First Storage Group, and 4 (of 21) in our Third > Storage Group. Both storage groups are Mailbox only. > > We have 250 mailboxes on this configuration and have not experienced any > mail flow issues. The queue's on the Hub Transports are both fine, there are > no messages stuck in them, and running the troubleshooting assistant > confirms that everything is well. > > The only reason I've noticed this issue is because I monitor the server with > Spotlight for Exchange, which evidently is querying the performance counters > for each storage group to obtain that figure. > > So I have a few questions... > 1. Is there a way to view these 'queued' messages on the Mailbox server? It > obviously doesn't run the Transport service so Queue viewer isn't of any > help. > 2. What would cause this to happen? I've found this technet article > http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb232109.aspx which is similar, > but we definitely do not have a bottleneck and the MS Exchange Mail > Submission service is running. These messages just appear "stuck". > > Any help is greatly appreciated! > Cheers, > Matt > > >
From: slusar2433 on 3 Dec 2007 16:46 On Nov 28, 4:37 pm, Paul <P...(a)discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > I have also come across this situation and looking for solutions. Where you > able to get any info on this? > > > > "Matt" wrote: > > Our environment: > > 1 xExchange2003 Enterprise Server (We're in the migration process. > > Sending/Receiving between all servers works properly.) > > 2 xExchange2007Mailbox Servers (CCRConfiguration) > > 2 xExchange2007Hub Transport / Client Access Servers > > > Problem: > > TheMessages Queued for Submissionperformance monitor on our Active Node is > > currently sitting at 21. This seems to have occured just this week, though > > it initially started at 7 and has slowly increased. This is reporting on 17 > > (of 21) messages in our First Storage Group, and 4 (of 21) in our Third > > Storage Group. Both storage groups are Mailbox only. > > > We have 250 mailboxes on this configuration and have not experienced any > > mail flow issues. The queue's on the Hub Transports are both fine, there are > > no messages stuck in them, and running the troubleshooting assistant > > confirms that everything is well. > > > The only reason I've noticed this issue is because I monitor the server with > > Spotlight forExchange, which evidently is querying the performance counters > > for each storage group to obtain that figure. > > > So I have a few questions... > > 1. Is there a way to view these 'queued' messages on the Mailbox server? It > > obviously doesn't run the Transport service so Queue viewer isn't of any > > help. > > 2. What would cause this to happen? I've found this technet article > >http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb232109.aspxwhich is similar, > > but we definitely do not have a bottleneck and the MSExchangeMail > > Submission service is running. These messages just appear "stuck". > > > Any help is greatly appreciated! > > Cheers, > > Matt- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Nope, still can't find anything. The number has reached 970 messages now, and seems to clear when the cluster is failed over. Maybe SP1 will "fix" this, but I'm sitting back on the sidelines with regard to SP1 for a few weeks until the dust settles.
From: Paul on 3 Dec 2007 16:56 Thanks Matt - thats the same solution I had found - failing over the cluster seemed to clear this queue. I was unable to find any help & information on how to view this queue or empty it otherwise. Thx-Paul "slusar2433(a)gmail.com" wrote: > On Nov 28, 4:37 pm, Paul <P...(a)discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > > I have also come across this situation and looking for solutions. Where you > > able to get any info on this? > > > > > > > > "Matt" wrote: > > > Our environment: > > > 1 xExchange2003 Enterprise Server (We're in the migration process. > > > Sending/Receiving between all servers works properly.) > > > 2 xExchange2007Mailbox Servers (CCRConfiguration) > > > 2 xExchange2007Hub Transport / Client Access Servers > > > > > Problem: > > > TheMessages Queued for Submissionperformance monitor on our Active Node is > > > currently sitting at 21. This seems to have occured just this week, though > > > it initially started at 7 and has slowly increased. This is reporting on 17 > > > (of 21) messages in our First Storage Group, and 4 (of 21) in our Third > > > Storage Group. Both storage groups are Mailbox only. > > > > > We have 250 mailboxes on this configuration and have not experienced any > > > mail flow issues. The queue's on the Hub Transports are both fine, there are > > > no messages stuck in them, and running the troubleshooting assistant > > > confirms that everything is well. > > > > > The only reason I've noticed this issue is because I monitor the server with > > > Spotlight forExchange, which evidently is querying the performance counters > > > for each storage group to obtain that figure. > > > > > So I have a few questions... > > > 1. Is there a way to view these 'queued' messages on the Mailbox server? It > > > obviously doesn't run the Transport service so Queue viewer isn't of any > > > help. > > > 2. What would cause this to happen? I've found this technet article > > >http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb232109.aspxwhich is similar, > > > but we definitely do not have a bottleneck and the MSExchangeMail > > > Submission service is running. These messages just appear "stuck". > > > > > Any help is greatly appreciated! > > > Cheers, > > > Matt- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > Nope, still can't find anything. The number has reached 970 messages > now, and seems to clear when the cluster is failed over. Maybe SP1 > will "fix" this, but I'm sitting back on the sidelines with regard to > SP1 for a few weeks until the dust settles. >
From: Paul on 18 Dec 2007 18:13
Well, a couple weeks later and now its back up again. Silly if we are forced to failover every couple weeks to remove the queue. Anybody else have tips for the mailbox server running up a queue over time? Maybe bad messages somehow unable to deliver? I cant find any commands to check a mailbox queue... "Paul" wrote: > Thanks Matt - thats the same solution I had found - failing over the cluster > seemed to clear this queue. > > I was unable to find any help & information on how to view this queue or > empty it otherwise. > > Thx-Paul > > "slusar2433(a)gmail.com" wrote: > > > On Nov 28, 4:37 pm, Paul <P...(a)discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > > > I have also come across this situation and looking for solutions. Where you > > > able to get any info on this? > > > > > > > > > > > > "Matt" wrote: > > > > Our environment: > > > > 1 xExchange2003 Enterprise Server (We're in the migration process. > > > > Sending/Receiving between all servers works properly.) > > > > 2 xExchange2007Mailbox Servers (CCRConfiguration) > > > > 2 xExchange2007Hub Transport / Client Access Servers > > > > > > > Problem: > > > > TheMessages Queued for Submissionperformance monitor on our Active Node is > > > > currently sitting at 21. This seems to have occured just this week, though > > > > it initially started at 7 and has slowly increased. This is reporting on 17 > > > > (of 21) messages in our First Storage Group, and 4 (of 21) in our Third > > > > Storage Group. Both storage groups are Mailbox only. > > > > > > > We have 250 mailboxes on this configuration and have not experienced any > > > > mail flow issues. The queue's on the Hub Transports are both fine, there are > > > > no messages stuck in them, and running the troubleshooting assistant > > > > confirms that everything is well. > > > > > > > The only reason I've noticed this issue is because I monitor the server with > > > > Spotlight forExchange, which evidently is querying the performance counters > > > > for each storage group to obtain that figure. > > > > > > > So I have a few questions... > > > > 1. Is there a way to view these 'queued' messages on the Mailbox server? It > > > > obviously doesn't run the Transport service so Queue viewer isn't of any > > > > help. > > > > 2. What would cause this to happen? I've found this technet article > > > >http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb232109.aspxwhich is similar, > > > > but we definitely do not have a bottleneck and the MSExchangeMail > > > > Submission service is running. These messages just appear "stuck". > > > > > > > Any help is greatly appreciated! > > > > Cheers, > > > > Matt- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > Nope, still can't find anything. The number has reached 970 messages > > now, and seems to clear when the cluster is failed over. Maybe SP1 > > will "fix" this, but I'm sitting back on the sidelines with regard to > > SP1 for a few weeks until the dust settles. > > |