From: Arno R on

"The Frog" <Mr.Frog.to.you(a)googlemail.com> schreef in bericht news:436c08c1-f51a-4df7-a8bb-293ad20e08c1(a)x41g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>I hear what you are saying Lyle, and the sentiment is a good one. I am
> all for people wanting to better themselves, and like you (although
> not to nearly the same extent due to my limited experience) I try and
> offer help through here to others.

Lyle has on several occasions initiated a 'different', 'gentler' route...
Check out the thread "Healing' for instance.
Unfortunately even that did not work...

> I dont see 'Steve' doing this however. Maybe I am wrong, but I see
> 'phishing' taking place. Its sort of a 'Have a taste, I'm so
> great....' rubbish followed with a 'oh, well, what do you know, I
> guess I can answer that and help you out for "reasonable rates"'. To
> me, thats just not in the spirit of helping others and sharing
> knowledge. Perhaps this is why others are upset with him as well.

Steve is not here to contribute, he is only here to 'fish' indeed.
He considers the groups as his private hunting-grounds
He even thinks he has the right to advertise, because he also answers some questions here.

> I dont mind if someone wants to genuinely contribute or learn, I am
> happy to share what I have, and I benefit from the experience of
> others in this group. I have learned much from here and as a result
> the quality of my work has greatly improved. I for one am always
> grateful for the advice of experienced others such as yourself, and
> the other MVP's here, and of course SALAD!
>
> This is not the case with the behaviour 'Steve' is demonstrating -
> what he does masquerades as this, but it is by no means selfless and
> seems motivated either to be cruel to the people asking questions or a
> deceptive and smart-arsed form solicitation. Maybe I am wrong here,
> but I call it how I see it.

You are not at all wrong. You are 100% right.

> Perhaps you are right, perhaps a gentler approach would be a better
> way to go. I cannot however imagine that the result would be any
> different than what you have already experienced because there is a
> distinct lack of respect for anyone or anything except 'Steve's' own
> private motivations.

We have tried gentle approaches several times.
Over the years it seems that *nothing* works to change Steve's attitude.


But he has been away several (long) times from the groups ==> no advertising
Why has he been away ??
Because of the website ?? hmmm...maybe
Because of complaints to his ISP ?? Probably yes
I think so because he has changed from ISP several times (earthlink >> supernews >> giganews)

So what's left IMO is to try to get him out of here again; it is sad but true.
So: please complain to
abuse(a)giganews.com (appropriate action will follow when there are enough complaints)

> Still, to play the victim here would be narcissistic. I for one will
> simply watch the events unfold and enjoy the show. Perhaps I will even
> take on the persona of one of those wonderful hecklers from 'The
> Muppet Show' :-)
>
> Cheers
>
> The Frog

More to come ?? We'll see

Arno R