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From: casevh on 3 Jul 2008 21:10
On Jul 3, 6:54 am, Mensanator <mensana...(a)aol.com> wrote:
>
> Well, it will be great at some point in the future
> when Python 2.6/3.0 have actually been released and
> third party extensions such as gmpy have caught up.
>
> Until then, such solutions are worthless, i.e., of
> no value.

gmpy is supported on Python 2.6. A new version and Windows binaries
were released shortly after 2.6b1 was released.

casevh
From: George Sakkis on 3 Jul 2008 22:09
On Jul 3, 7:51 pm, Mensanator <mensana...(a)aol.com> wrote:

> On Jul 3, 6:24 pm, George Sakkis <george.sak...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Taking into account 2.6 too (we're not talking about only 3.0 here),
> > probably not much less than those who even know what is gmpy, let
> > alone dismiss a beta Python release because their obscure pet module
> > is not available yet.
>
> That was just an example. When you consider ALL the pet
> modules like PIL, Numpy, Win32, etc., that's a lot, isn't it.

A few points:
- The OP acknowledged he's a newbie, and as a newbie he'll probably
spend some time getting used to the language and the standard library
before jumping to the dozens 3rd party packages.
- I am sure many Python users are productive without ever touching an
external package; that is after all the point of "batteries included".
- Even if they do have external dependencies, chances are that they
are pure Python modules, which typically work without modification on
new 2.x versions.

> I was just trying to be helpful (I admit I often sound
> negative when I'm not trying to be).

Well, something like "Until then, such solutions are worthless, i.e.,
of no value" is too strong, subjective and biased to be really
helpful.

George
From: Mensanator on 3 Jul 2008 23:10
On Jul 3, 8:10�pm, casevh <cas...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jul 3, 6:54�am, Mensanator <mensana...(a)aol.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Well, it will be great at some point in the future
> > when Python 2.6/3.0 have actually been released and
> > third party extensions such as gmpy have caught up.
>
> > Until then, such solutions are worthless, i.e., of
> > no value.
>
> gmpy is supported on Python 2.6. A new version and Windows binaries
> were released shortly after 2.6b1 was released.

Great!

Looks like I'll be installing 2.6 this weekend.

>
> casevh

From: Mensanator on 3 Jul 2008 23:27
On Jul 3, 9:09�pm, George Sakkis <george.sak...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jul 3, 7:51 pm, Mensanator <mensana...(a)aol.com> wrote:
>
> > On Jul 3, 6:24 pm, George Sakkis <george.sak...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Taking into account 2.6 too (we're not talking about only 3.0 here),
> > > probably not much less than those who even know what is gmpy, let
> > > alone dismiss a beta Python release because their obscure pet module
> > > is not available yet.
>
> > That was just an example. When you consider ALL the pet
> > modules like PIL, Numpy, Win32, etc., that's a lot, isn't it.
>
> A few points:
> - The OP acknowledged he's a newbie, and as a newbie he'll probably
> spend some time getting used to the language and the standard library
> before jumping to the dozens 3rd party packages.
> - I am sure many Python users are productive without ever touching an
> external package; that is after all the point of "batteries included".
> - Even if they do have external dependencies, chances are that they
> are pure Python modules, which typically work without modification on
> new 2.x versions.

Yes, these points are valid, although I think
mine are valid also. But there's no point in any
further arguing.

>
> > I was just trying to be helpful (I admit I often sound
> > negative when I'm not trying to be).
>
> Well, something like "Until then, such solutions are worthless, i.e.,
> of no value" is too strong, subjective and biased to be really
> helpful.

I was trying NOT to imply "broken" or "doesn't
do anything useful". I guess I'll have to try to
be less succinct.

>
> George

From: bjorklund.emil on 4 Jul 2008 10:30
Wow, I didn't have time to look back on this thread for a while,
surprised of the activity. Anyhow, thanks for the answers, and thanks
for pointing out that the itertools-variants are not available in 2.5.

Cheers!

//emil
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