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From: William M. Klein on 3 Jan 2008 22:18
"Robert" <no(a)e.mail> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 3 Jan 2008 07:08:43 -0600, "Judson McClendon" <judmc(a)sunvaley0.com>
> wrote:
>
<snip
> Am I the only one who noticed that the global warming debate in CLC ended when
> a big cold
> front hit the central US? :-)

When I was growing up in the Chicago area, I remember one UNUSUAL day that had a
"real" (not wind-chill) temperature of -20(F). I also remember when we would
have multiple days in a row when the temperature never got above zero.

I do NOT think I have seen either of those "extremes" in the Chicago area in the
last decade or so - even if we did get below 0 in some suburbs last night.

Having said that, any one who talks (seriously) about global warming does NOT
talk about "the current temperature in a single location"> I am only posting
this in reply to the thought that a single mid-west cold spell ends MY belief
that global warming is a serious problem - getting progressively worse.

--
Bill Klein
wmklein <at> ix.netcom.com


From: Robert on 25 Jan 2008 09:08
On Fri, 04 Jan 2008 03:18:43 GMT, "William M. Klein" <wmklein(a)nospam.netcom.com> wrote:

>"Robert" <no(a)e.mail> wrote in message
>news:uc1rn39jmrd1ev7am1hfpiqnljn9oclhaf(a)4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 3 Jan 2008 07:08:43 -0600, "Judson McClendon" <judmc(a)sunvaley0.com>
>> wrote:
>>
><snip
>> Am I the only one who noticed that the global warming debate in CLC ended when
>> a big cold
>> front hit the central US? :-)
>
>When I was growing up in the Chicago area, I remember one UNUSUAL day that had a
>"real" (not wind-chill) temperature of -20(F). I also remember when we would
>have multiple days in a row when the temperature never got above zero.
>
>I do NOT think I have seen either of those "extremes" in the Chicago area in the
>last decade or so - even if we did get below 0 in some suburbs last night.

In the last week, daily lows have been at or below the all time record on four out of
seven days. Below are Chicago temperatures for the last week. Subtract 2-5 degrees for
suburbs, where you live. For example, in Palatine it was -7 on 1/20 and -5 yesterday and
today.

L H Record low
1/19 -2 6 -2
1/20 -4 10 -4
1/21 10 28 -2
1/22 10 30 3
1/23 7 16 -2
1/24 -2 10 0
1/25 -2 1
http://weather.chicagotribune.com/auto/chicagotribune/history/airport/KMDW/2008/1/25/DailyHistory.html



From: Paul Knudsen on 26 Jan 2008 21:54
On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 08:08:51 -0600, Robert <no(a)e.mail> wrote:

>
> L H Record low
>1/19 -2 6 -2
>1/20 -4 10 -4
>1/21 10 28 -2
>1/22 10 30 3
>1/23 7 16 -2
>1/24 -2 10 0
>1/25 -2 1

Having been to Chi-town in the winter, I would have thought the
records were a lot lower than that.
From: tlmfru on 26 Jan 2008 23:20
Making much of record low temperatures in one tiny locality doesn't get one
very far. The earth is far from uniform at that level of consideration so
you'd logically expect all sorts of variation. The AVERAGE temperature of
the whole earth's surface is what's important.

Paul Knudsen <pknudsen(a)NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 08:08:51 -0600, Robert <no(a)e.mail> wrote:
>
> >
> > L H Record low
> >1/19 -2 6 -2
> >1/20 -4 10 -4
> >1/21 10 28 -2
> >1/22 10 30 3
> >1/23 7 16 -2
> >1/24 -2 10 0
> >1/25 -2 1
>
> Having been to Chi-town in the winter, I would have thought the
> records were a lot lower than that.


From: Robert on 27 Jan 2008 02:43
On Sat, 26 Jan 2008 18:54:31 -0800, Paul Knudsen <pknudsen(a)NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote:

>On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 08:08:51 -0600, Robert <no(a)e.mail> wrote:
>
>>
>> L H Record low
>>1/19 -2 6 -2
>>1/20 -4 10 -4
>>1/21 10 28 -2
>>1/22 10 30 3
>>1/23 7 16 -2
>>1/24 -2 10 0
>>1/25 -2 1
>
>Having been to Chi-town in the winter, I would have thought the
>records were a lot lower than that.

Everyone who grew up in Chicago remembers, when he was a child, when the temperature
didn't go above zero for a week. Bill Klien said "I also remember when we would
have multiple days in a row when the temperature never got above zero."

A book "The Weather and Climate of Chicago" by Henry Joseph Cox, John Howard Armington -
1914 says:

"Table XXXI gives the longest period when daily maximum temperatures of zero or lower were
recorded. In only 5 of these 14 years were there 2 consecutive days, and only one year
where there were more than 2. That was in 1883, January 21 to 23."
http://books.google.com/books?id=__IOAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA84&lpg=PA84&dq=chicago+longest+cold+spell&source=web&ots=HGbof727N7&sig=G8RMB1Q3Zy2juD5acrn5lUglvdg#PPA75,M1
page 76

However, I found this confirmation of Bill's assertion:

"Chicago's longest zero spell: 100 hours (four days, four hours). Beginning at 7 a.m. on
December 22, 1983, and continuing through Christmas Eve and Christmas Day to 11 a.m. on
December 26, Chicago's temperature remained at or below zero for 100 consecutive hours,
the longest frigid spell in the city's history."

http://wgntv.trb.com/news/weather/wgntv-weatherwords-chicago,0,475346.story


My take: Consecutive sub-zero days are rare. People tend to exaggerate.

If you want cold, go to Duluth or International Falls MN, where the NORMAL AVERAGE January
low is -20 and the record is -45. They're having a heat wave right now, it's 7.

Given that people can live anywhere they want, why does anyone choose to live in Duluth?



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