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From: Tom Serface on 24 Apr 2008 14:36 The debate about top posting or bottom posting pops up every once in a while and there seems to be almost religious issues on both sides. I "think" the bottom posters like to see all the "stuff" above the answer so they can read it all again. I "think" that it is annoying to have to scroll through often pages of stuff to read the latest in a thread I've been following. When I post (and trim) I am responding to a person looking for an answer, not trying to further a discussion (necessarily). I guess it's just a matter of perspective, but typically, unless I am really interested, if I open a post and I can't see the "new stuff" in the screen area I just go on to the next one. I'm hoping both can live long and prosperous lives :o) Tom "Gerry Murphy" <gerrymurphy429(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message news:uIIIF5hpIHA.3860(a)TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > Death to self-appointed Net-Cops. > > "Moschops" <moschops(a)notvalid.com> wrote in message > news:Hqmdnd3gbMAczo3VnZ2dnUVZ8q-rnZ2d(a)brightview.com... >> >> (Death to top-posting! My comments are at the end...) >> >> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Gerry Murphy" <gerrymurphy(a)comcast.net> >>> Newsgroups: microsoft.public.vc.mfc >>> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 10:44 PM >>> Subject: Re: Good MFC Book >>> >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> Sorry for the late reply, I've been away a bit and I'm still catching >>>> up >>>> with old messages. >>>> >>>> I just ordered this from a third party through Amazon back in January >>>> and >>>> paid less than $31 with shipping for a 'used' copy indistinguishable >>>> from >>>> new. >>>> >>>> Are you trying to order through Amazon or AmazonUK? I've ordered from >>>> both >>>> and haven't seen a huge price difference, but perhaps this is an >>>> exception. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> Gerry Murphy >>>> >>>> "dave.m.moore123(a)googlemail.com" <dave_m_moore(a)post2me.freeserve.co.uk> >>>> wrote in message >>>> news:c5078950-4e7c-4243-ab5e-8eb5901fc023(a)f10g2000hsf.googlegroups.com... >>>> On 25 Jan, 12:11, "Giovanni Dicanio" <giovanni.dica...(a)invalid.com> >>>> wrote: >>>>> "dave.m.moore...(a)googlemail.com" >>>>> <dave_m_mo...(a)post2me.freeserve.co.uk> >>>>> ha >>>>> scritto nel >>>> messaggionews:88ed1c82-7373-4b4e-b527-b0087ed6b619(a)v4g2000hsf.googlegroups.c >>>> om... >>>>> >>>>> > I'd like to get a decent MFC book. I have good c++ skills and >>>>> > considerable experience writing non-MFC applications in Visual >>>>> > Studio. >>>>> > Can anyone recommend a good book for writing MFC applications?. >>>>> >>>>> I would recommend Jeff Prosise's "Programming Windows with MFC" >>>>> (Microsoft >>>>> Press). >>>>> The author is very clear in explaining the subject. This book is a >>>>> quality >>>>> book, IMHO. >>>>> >>>>> You can find it used at a small price here: >>>>> >>>>> http://www.amazon.com/Programming-Windows-MFC-Jeff-Prosise/dp/1572316950 >>>>> >>>>> Giovanni >>>> >>>> For some reason, the Prosise book can't be bought from Amazon for less >>>> that �65 in the UK which seems damn extortionate to me. I have been >>>> recommmended this book before, but I'm not paying �65 for it - it is >>>> gold plated?. >>>> >>>> Dave >>>> >>>> >> >> Having just checked, Amazon UK only has this available from thrid party >> sellers, who do indeed charge an awful lot for it. However, abebooks is >> able to provide it for significantly less from overseas sellers. >> >> Here's a question; given that I can buy the previous edition, " >> Programming Windows 95 with MFC", for about two pounds fifty (that's a >> little under five dollars for our US readers) including postage, what do >> I >> miss out on by getting the previous edition? >> >> I use Petzold for the WinAPI, which is of course marvellous, even if he >> did write everything in C and I have to stick explicit casts all over the >> place; if my aim is to properly understand the MFC (by which, of course, >> I >> mean ignoring the wizards etc. and actually writing the code myself) is >> the previous edition still good for that, given that we're on MFC version >> 9 now? >> >> 'Chops >> >> > >
From: Moschops on 25 Apr 2008 05:08 Long live top-posting! To be honest, I don't really care either way, although if a group has a convention I'll often abide by it. Wizards being different shouldn't be a problem - to be honest, the MFC wizards are half the problem I have with trying to understand MFCs. The start point isn't zero, but a few hundred lines of code. I understand Prosise starts from scratch and builds the code by hand, which will be a refreshing change to most MFC books I have encountered. 'Chops "Tom Serface" <tom.nospam(a)camaswood.com> wrote in message news:BC4AE38D-EA41-4E70-B5A8-D957ED0CFDBC(a)microsoft.com... > Wow, that current edition of the book is getting expensive. I think the > previous version would be fine. That's the one I have. As David > mentioned, the examples of the wizards, etc. are outdated, but from what I > could see the content is very similar and that price is great. There are > also some other good MFC books on Amazon in right around the $30-$40 + > shipping. You may also be able to find some of these books locally if you > have any large books stores (in the U.S. we have Borders and Barnes and > Noble). > > Tom > > "Moschops" <moschops(a)notvalid.com> wrote in message > news:Hqmdnd3gbMAczo3VnZ2dnUVZ8q-rnZ2d(a)brightview.com... >> >> (Death to top-posting! My comments are at the end...) >> >> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Gerry Murphy" <gerrymurphy(a)comcast.net> >>> Newsgroups: microsoft.public.vc.mfc >>> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 10:44 PM >>> Subject: Re: Good MFC Book >>> >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> Sorry for the late reply, I've been away a bit and I'm still catching >>>> up >>>> with old messages. >>>> >>>> I just ordered this from a third party through Amazon back in January >>>> and >>>> paid less than $31 with shipping for a 'used' copy indistinguishable >>>> from >>>> new. >>>> >>>> Are you trying to order through Amazon or AmazonUK? I've ordered from >>>> both >>>> and haven't seen a huge price difference, but perhaps this is an >>>> exception. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> Gerry Murphy >>>> >>>> "dave.m.moore123(a)googlemail.com" <dave_m_moore(a)post2me.freeserve.co.uk> >>>> wrote in message >>>> news:c5078950-4e7c-4243-ab5e-8eb5901fc023(a)f10g2000hsf.googlegroups.com... >>>> On 25 Jan, 12:11, "Giovanni Dicanio" <giovanni.dica...(a)invalid.com> >>>> wrote: >>>>> "dave.m.moore...(a)googlemail.com" >>>>> <dave_m_mo...(a)post2me.freeserve.co.uk> >>>>> ha >>>>> scritto nel >>>> messaggionews:88ed1c82-7373-4b4e-b527-b0087ed6b619(a)v4g2000hsf.googlegroups.c >>>> om... >>>>> >>>>> > I'd like to get a decent MFC book. I have good c++ skills and >>>>> > considerable experience writing non-MFC applications in Visual >>>>> > Studio. >>>>> > Can anyone recommend a good book for writing MFC applications?. >>>>> >>>>> I would recommend Jeff Prosise's "Programming Windows with MFC" >>>>> (Microsoft >>>>> Press). >>>>> The author is very clear in explaining the subject. This book is a >>>>> quality >>>>> book, IMHO. >>>>> >>>>> You can find it used at a small price here: >>>>> >>>>> http://www.amazon.com/Programming-Windows-MFC-Jeff-Prosise/dp/1572316950 >>>>> >>>>> Giovanni >>>> >>>> For some reason, the Prosise book can't be bought from Amazon for less >>>> that �65 in the UK which seems damn extortionate to me. I have been >>>> recommmended this book before, but I'm not paying �65 for it - it is >>>> gold plated?. >>>> >>>> Dave >>>> >>>> >> >> Having just checked, Amazon UK only has this available from thrid party >> sellers, who do indeed charge an awful lot for it. However, abebooks is >> able to provide it for significantly less from overseas sellers. >> >> Here's a question; given that I can buy the previous edition, " >> Programming Windows 95 with MFC", for about two pounds fifty (that's a >> little under five dollars for our US readers) including postage, what do >> I >> miss out on by getting the previous edition? >> >> I use Petzold for the WinAPI, which is of course marvellous, even if he >> did write everything in C and I have to stick explicit casts all over the >> place; if my aim is to properly understand the MFC (by which, of course, >> I >> mean ignoring the wizards etc. and actually writing the code myself) is >> the previous edition still good for that, given that we're on MFC version >> 9 now? >> >> 'Chops >> >> >
From: Gerry Murphy on 25 Apr 2008 08:50 Tom, I agree with you entirely and I try not to get involved in religious wars. Which is why you won't see me castigating anyone for how they choose to post, it doesn't add anything, just injects noise into the discussion. Gerry Murphy "Tom Serface" <tom.nospam(a)camaswood.com> wrote in message news:36F1989D-6808-4529-AA44-B5D95C1000F6(a)microsoft.com... > The debate about top posting or bottom posting pops up every once in a > while and there seems to be almost religious issues on both sides. > > I "think" the bottom posters like to see all the "stuff" above the answer > so they can read it all again. > > I "think" that it is annoying to have to scroll through often pages of > stuff to read the latest in a thread I've been following. When I post > (and trim) I am responding to a person looking for an answer, not trying > to further a discussion (necessarily). I guess it's just a matter of > perspective, but typically, unless I am really interested, if I open a > post and I can't see the "new stuff" in the screen area I just go on to > the next one. > > I'm hoping both can live long and prosperous lives > > :o) > > Tom > > "Gerry Murphy" <gerrymurphy429(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:uIIIF5hpIHA.3860(a)TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >> Death to self-appointed Net-Cops. >> >> "Moschops" <moschops(a)notvalid.com> wrote in message >> news:Hqmdnd3gbMAczo3VnZ2dnUVZ8q-rnZ2d(a)brightview.com... >>> >>> (Death to top-posting! My comments are at the end...) >>> >>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Gerry Murphy" <gerrymurphy(a)comcast.net> >>>> Newsgroups: microsoft.public.vc.mfc >>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 10:44 PM >>>> Subject: Re: Good MFC Book >>>> >>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> Sorry for the late reply, I've been away a bit and I'm still catching >>>>> up >>>>> with old messages. >>>>> >>>>> I just ordered this from a third party through Amazon back in January >>>>> and >>>>> paid less than $31 with shipping for a 'used' copy indistinguishable >>>>> from >>>>> new. >>>>> >>>>> Are you trying to order through Amazon or AmazonUK? I've ordered from >>>>> both >>>>> and haven't seen a huge price difference, but perhaps this is an >>>>> exception. >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> >>>>> Gerry Murphy >>>>> >>>>> "dave.m.moore123(a)googlemail.com" >>>>> <dave_m_moore(a)post2me.freeserve.co.uk> >>>>> wrote in message >>>>> news:c5078950-4e7c-4243-ab5e-8eb5901fc023(a)f10g2000hsf.googlegroups.com... >>>>> On 25 Jan, 12:11, "Giovanni Dicanio" <giovanni.dica...(a)invalid.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> "dave.m.moore...(a)googlemail.com" >>>>>> <dave_m_mo...(a)post2me.freeserve.co.uk> >>>>>> ha >>>>>> scritto nel >>>>> messaggionews:88ed1c82-7373-4b4e-b527-b0087ed6b619(a)v4g2000hsf.googlegroups.c >>>>> om... >>>>>> >>>>>> > I'd like to get a decent MFC book. I have good c++ skills and >>>>>> > considerable experience writing non-MFC applications in Visual >>>>>> > Studio. >>>>>> > Can anyone recommend a good book for writing MFC applications?. >>>>>> >>>>>> I would recommend Jeff Prosise's "Programming Windows with MFC" >>>>>> (Microsoft >>>>>> Press). >>>>>> The author is very clear in explaining the subject. This book is a >>>>>> quality >>>>>> book, IMHO. >>>>>> >>>>>> You can find it used at a small price here: >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.amazon.com/Programming-Windows-MFC-Jeff-Prosise/dp/1572316950 >>>>>> >>>>>> Giovanni >>>>> >>>>> For some reason, the Prosise book can't be bought from Amazon for less >>>>> that �65 in the UK which seems damn extortionate to me. I have been >>>>> recommmended this book before, but I'm not paying �65 for it - it is >>>>> gold plated?. >>>>> >>>>> Dave >>>>> >>>>> >>> >>> Having just checked, Amazon UK only has this available from thrid party >>> sellers, who do indeed charge an awful lot for it. However, abebooks is >>> able to provide it for significantly less from overseas sellers. >>> >>> Here's a question; given that I can buy the previous edition, " >>> Programming Windows 95 with MFC", for about two pounds fifty (that's a >>> little under five dollars for our US readers) including postage, what do >>> I >>> miss out on by getting the previous edition? >>> >>> I use Petzold for the WinAPI, which is of course marvellous, even if he >>> did write everything in C and I have to stick explicit casts all over >>> the >>> place; if my aim is to properly understand the MFC (by which, of course, >>> I >>> mean ignoring the wizards etc. and actually writing the code myself) is >>> the previous edition still good for that, given that we're on MFC >>> version >>> 9 now? >>> >>> 'Chops >>> >>> >> >> >
From: Moschops on 25 Apr 2008 09:16 Calm down, chaps, it's hardly the invasion of Poland. Take some deep breaths and chillax a little! "Gerry Murphy" <gerrymurphy429(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message news:u5u7OLtpIHA.4888(a)TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > Tom, > > I agree with you entirely and I try not to get involved in religious wars. > Which is why you won't see me castigating anyone for how they choose to > post, > it doesn't add anything, just injects noise into the discussion. > > Gerry Murphy > > "Tom Serface" <tom.nospam(a)camaswood.com> wrote in message > news:36F1989D-6808-4529-AA44-B5D95C1000F6(a)microsoft.com... >> The debate about top posting or bottom posting pops up every once in a >> while and there seems to be almost religious issues on both sides. >> >> I "think" the bottom posters like to see all the "stuff" above the answer >> so they can read it all again. >> >> I "think" that it is annoying to have to scroll through often pages of >> stuff to read the latest in a thread I've been following. When I post >> (and trim) I am responding to a person looking for an answer, not trying >> to further a discussion (necessarily). I guess it's just a matter of >> perspective, but typically, unless I am really interested, if I open a >> post and I can't see the "new stuff" in the screen area I just go on to >> the next one. >> >> I'm hoping both can live long and prosperous lives >> >> :o) >> >> Tom >> >> "Gerry Murphy" <gerrymurphy429(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message >> news:uIIIF5hpIHA.3860(a)TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >>> Death to self-appointed Net-Cops. >>> >>> "Moschops" <moschops(a)notvalid.com> wrote in message >>> news:Hqmdnd3gbMAczo3VnZ2dnUVZ8q-rnZ2d(a)brightview.com... >>>> >>>> (Death to top-posting! My comments are at the end...) >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Gerry Murphy" <gerrymurphy(a)comcast.net> >>>>> Newsgroups: microsoft.public.vc.mfc >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 10:44 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: Good MFC Book >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Hi, >>>>>> >>>>>> Sorry for the late reply, I've been away a bit and I'm still catching >>>>>> up >>>>>> with old messages. >>>>>> >>>>>> I just ordered this from a third party through Amazon back in January >>>>>> and >>>>>> paid less than $31 with shipping for a 'used' copy indistinguishable >>>>>> from >>>>>> new. >>>>>> >>>>>> Are you trying to order through Amazon or AmazonUK? I've ordered >>>>>> from >>>>>> both >>>>>> and haven't seen a huge price difference, but perhaps this is an >>>>>> exception. >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> >>>>>> Gerry Murphy >>>>>> >>>>>> "dave.m.moore123(a)googlemail.com" >>>>>> <dave_m_moore(a)post2me.freeserve.co.uk> >>>>>> wrote in message >>>>>> news:c5078950-4e7c-4243-ab5e-8eb5901fc023(a)f10g2000hsf.googlegroups.com... >>>>>> On 25 Jan, 12:11, "Giovanni Dicanio" <giovanni.dica...(a)invalid.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> "dave.m.moore...(a)googlemail.com" >>>>>>> <dave_m_mo...(a)post2me.freeserve.co.uk> >>>>>>> ha >>>>>>> scritto nel >>>>>> messaggionews:88ed1c82-7373-4b4e-b527-b0087ed6b619(a)v4g2000hsf.googlegroups.c >>>>>> om... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> > I'd like to get a decent MFC book. I have good c++ skills and >>>>>>> > considerable experience writing non-MFC applications in Visual >>>>>>> > Studio. >>>>>>> > Can anyone recommend a good book for writing MFC applications?. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I would recommend Jeff Prosise's "Programming Windows with MFC" >>>>>>> (Microsoft >>>>>>> Press). >>>>>>> The author is very clear in explaining the subject. This book is a >>>>>>> quality >>>>>>> book, IMHO. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You can find it used at a small price here: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://www.amazon.com/Programming-Windows-MFC-Jeff-Prosise/dp/1572316950 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Giovanni >>>>>> >>>>>> For some reason, the Prosise book can't be bought from Amazon for >>>>>> less >>>>>> that �65 in the UK which seems damn extortionate to me. I have been >>>>>> recommmended this book before, but I'm not paying �65 for it - it is >>>>>> gold plated?. >>>>>> >>>>>> Dave >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> Having just checked, Amazon UK only has this available from thrid party >>>> sellers, who do indeed charge an awful lot for it. However, abebooks is >>>> able to provide it for significantly less from overseas sellers. >>>> >>>> Here's a question; given that I can buy the previous edition, " >>>> Programming Windows 95 with MFC", for about two pounds fifty (that's a >>>> little under five dollars for our US readers) including postage, what >>>> do I >>>> miss out on by getting the previous edition? >>>> >>>> I use Petzold for the WinAPI, which is of course marvellous, even if he >>>> did write everything in C and I have to stick explicit casts all over >>>> the >>>> place; if my aim is to properly understand the MFC (by which, of >>>> course, I >>>> mean ignoring the wizards etc. and actually writing the code myself) is >>>> the previous edition still good for that, given that we're on MFC >>>> version >>>> 9 now? >>>> >>>> 'Chops >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> > >
From: Ajay Kalra on 25 Apr 2008 09:32 On Apr 24, 2:36 pm, "Tom Serface" <tom.nos...(a)camaswood.com> wrote: > The debate about top posting or bottom posting pops up every once in a while > and there seems to be almost religious issues on both sides. > > I "think" the bottom posters like to see all the "stuff" above the answer so > they can read it all again. > > I "think" that it is annoying to have to scroll through often pages of stuff > to read the latest in a thread I've been following. When I post (and trim) > I am responding to a person looking for an answer, not trying to further a > discussion (necessarily). I guess it's just a matter of perspective, but > typically, unless I am really interested, if I open a post and I can't see > the "new stuff" in the screen area I just go on to the next one. > > I'm hoping both can live long and prosperous lives > > :o) > > Tom > > "Gerry Murphy" <gerrymurphy...(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message > > news:uIIIF5hpIHA.3860(a)TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > > > Death to self-appointed Net-Cops. > > > "Moschops" <mosch...(a)notvalid.com> wrote in message > >news:Hqmdnd3gbMAczo3VnZ2dnUVZ8q-rnZ2d(a)brightview.com... > > >> (Death to top-posting! My comments are at the end...) > > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>> From: "Gerry Murphy" <gerrymur...(a)comcast.net> > >>> Newsgroups: microsoft.public.vc.mfc > >>> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 10:44 PM > >>> Subject: Re: Good MFC Book > > >>>> Hi, > > >>>> Sorry for the late reply, I've been away a bit and I'm still catching > >>>> up > >>>> with old messages. > > >>>> I just ordered this from a third party through Amazon back in January > >>>> and > >>>> paid less than $31 with shipping for a 'used' copy indistinguishable > >>>> from > >>>> new. > > >>>> Are you trying to order through Amazon or AmazonUK? I've ordered from > >>>> both > >>>> and haven't seen a huge price difference, but perhaps this is an > >>>> exception. > > >>>> Regards, > > >>>> Gerry Murphy > > >>>> "dave.m.moore...(a)googlemail.com" <dave_m_mo...(a)post2me.freeserve.co.uk> > >>>> wrote in message > >>>>news:c5078950-4e7c-4243-ab5e-8eb5901fc023(a)f10g2000hsf.googlegroups.com.... > >>>> On 25 Jan, 12:11, "Giovanni Dicanio" <giovanni.dica...(a)invalid.com> > >>>> wrote: > >>>>> "dave.m.moore...(a)googlemail.com" > >>>>> <dave_m_mo...(a)post2me.freeserve.co.uk> > >>>>> ha > >>>>> scritto nel > >>>> messaggionews:88ed1c82-7373-4b4e-b527-b0087ed6b619(a)v4g2000hsf.googlegroups.c > >>>> om... > > >>>>> > I'd like to get a decent MFC book. I have good c++ skills and > >>>>> > considerable experience writing non-MFC applications in Visual > >>>>> > Studio. > >>>>> > Can anyone recommend a good book for writing MFC applications?. > > >>>>> I would recommend Jeff Prosise's "Programming Windows with MFC" > >>>>> (Microsoft > >>>>> Press). > >>>>> The author is very clear in explaining the subject. This book is a > >>>>> quality > >>>>> book, IMHO. > > >>>>> You can find it used at a small price here: > > >>>>>http://www.amazon.com/Programming-Windows-MFC-Jeff-Prosise/dp/1572316950 > > >>>>> Giovanni > > >>>> For some reason, the Prosise book can't be bought from Amazon for less > >>>> that £65 in the UK which seems damn extortionate to me. I have been > >>>> recommmended this book before, but I'm not paying £65 for it - it is > >>>> gold plated?. > > >>>> Dave > > >> Having just checked, Amazon UK only has this available from thrid party > >> sellers, who do indeed charge an awful lot for it. However, abebooks is > >> able to provide it for significantly less from overseas sellers. > > >> Here's a question; given that I can buy the previous edition, " > >> Programming Windows 95 with MFC", for about two pounds fifty (that's a > >> little under five dollars for our US readers) including postage, what do > >> I > >> miss out on by getting the previous edition? > > >> I use Petzold for the WinAPI, which is of course marvellous, even if he > >> did write everything in C and I have to stick explicit casts all over the > >> place; if my aim is to properly understand the MFC (by which, of course, > >> I > >> mean ignoring the wizards etc. and actually writing the code myself) is > >> the previous edition still good for that, given that we're on MFC version > >> 9 now? > > >> 'Chops You should give inlining a try as a middle ground. --- Ajay
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