Good RAID for New Desktop Machine?
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From: Cydrome Leader on 10 Apr 2008 09:12 In comp.arch.storage Franc Zabkar <fzabkar(a)iinternode.on.net> wrote: > On Wed, 9 Apr 2008 21:41:36 +0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader > <presence(a)MUNGEpanix.com> put finger to keyboard and composed: > >>In comp.arch.storage Arno Wagner <me(a)privacy.net> wrote: >>> In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage Cydrome Leader <presence(a)mungepanix.com> wrote: >>>> In comp.arch.storage Arno Wagner <me(a)privacy.net> wrote: >>>>> In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage Cydrome Leader <presence(a)mungepanix.com> wrote: >>>>>> In comp.arch.storage Arno Wagner <me(a)privacy.net> wrote: >>>>>>> In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage Doug White <gwhite(a)alum.mit.edu> wrote: > >>>>> I can name you a lot with the 2410SA. Non-functional >>>>> commandline-interface that does not allow any automatisation. >>>>> Keeps dropping drives. Takes forever to resync. No SMART support >>>>> despite claims to the contrary. Incompetent technical support. >>>>> >>>>> Expensive trash. >>>>> >>>>> Arno >>> >>>> never had a drive drop or resync problems, and i've intentionally broken >>>> arrays by yanking out the sata cables on a live system. >>> >>>> what firmware versions are you running? >>> >>> As this thing was unusable and I had to get the storage running, >>> it has been disposed of by now, I expect. I bought it 4 years >>> ago. >> >>This card didn't even exist 4 years ago. > > Product Reviews - Hard disks - Adaptec Serial ATA RAID 2410SA: > http://www.pcpro.co.uk/reviews/50553/adaptec-serial-ata-raid-2410sa.html a 2420sa isn't a 2410sa, kind of like how 3 isn't equal to 7
From: Cydrome Leader on 10 Apr 2008 09:14 In comp.arch.storage Doug White <gwhite(a)alum.mit.edu> wrote: > Keywords: > In article <664aihF2hueb0U3(a)mid.individual.net>, Arno Wagner <me(a)privacy.net> wrote: >>In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage Cydrome Leader <presence(a)mungepanix.com> >> wrote: >>> In comp.arch.storage Arno Wagner <me(a)privacy.net> wrote: >>>> In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage Doug White <gwhite(a)alum.mit.edu> wrote: >>>>> I need to get a new desktop machine, and I'm planning on getting a card >>>>> to support RAID mirroring in case of a disk crash. My wife has a 6 month >>>>> old Dell that she bought with some brand of card & 2 drives, but Dell >>>>> didn't install the card. We discovered that the first thing the card >>>>> wants to do is reformat your primary drive, which is absurd. We sent it >>>>> back and got a card from Promise. It took a few tech support calls to >>>>> get it installed & working properly. Even now, it wants to go to the >>>>> setup menu every time you boot. >>>> >>>>> Does anyone have a recommendation for a good RAID card? I'd like to get >>>>> one that is reliable, and won't trash the primary (or remaining good) >>>>> drive if something crashes. I've read too many horror stories of RAID >>>>> systems that do stuff like reformatting the good drive when a bad drive >>>>> is replaced & other such nonsense. >>>> >>>>> I'll be using this with XP Pro, so Vista isn't an issue. >>>> >>>>> Thanks! >>>> >>>>> Doug White >>>> >>>> Stay away from Adaptec. 3ware has a good reputation, but >> >>> can you name a single problem with an adaptec 2420SA? >> >>I can name you a lot with the 2410SA. Non-functional >>commandline-interface that does not allow any automatisation. >>Keeps dropping drives. Takes forever to resync. No SMART support >>despite claims to the contrary. Incompetent technical support. >> >>Expensive trash. > > I can't speak for their RAID cards, but the SCSI card in my old desktop > was flaky from day one. After numerous tech support equiries, driver & > firmware updates, it still bluescreens my computer occasionally. why didn't you replace it then? "look my computer is broken. I don't do anything about it though!"
From: Arno Wagner on 10 Apr 2008 09:45 In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage Cydrome Leader <presence(a)mungepanix.com> wrote: > In comp.arch.storage Arno Wagner <me(a)privacy.net> wrote: >> In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage Cydrome Leader <presence(a)mungepanix.com> wrote: >>> In comp.arch.storage Arno Wagner <me(a)privacy.net> wrote: >>>> In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage Cydrome Leader <presence(a)mungepanix.com> wrote: >>>>> In comp.arch.storage Arno Wagner <me(a)privacy.net> wrote: >>>>>> In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage Doug White <gwhite(a)alum.mit.edu> wrote: >>>>>>> I need to get a new desktop machine, and I'm planning on getting a card >>>>>>> to support RAID mirroring in case of a disk crash. My wife has a 6 month >>>>>>> old Dell that she bought with some brand of card & 2 drives, but Dell >>>>>>> didn't install the card. We discovered that the first thing the card >>>>>>> wants to do is reformat your primary drive, which is absurd. We sent it >>>>>>> back and got a card from Promise. It took a few tech support calls to >>>>>>> get it installed & working properly. Even now, it wants to go to the >>>>>>> setup menu every time you boot. >>>>>> >>>>>>> Does anyone have a recommendation for a good RAID card? I'd like to get >>>>>>> one that is reliable, and won't trash the primary (or remaining good) >>>>>>> drive if something crashes. I've read too many horror stories of RAID >>>>>>> systems that do stuff like reformatting the good drive when a bad drive >>>>>>> is replaced & other such nonsense. >>>>>> >>>>>>> I'll be using this with XP Pro, so Vista isn't an issue. >>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks! >>>>>> >>>>>>> Doug White >>>>>> >>>>>> Stay away from Adaptec. 3ware has a good reputation, but >>>> >>>>> can you name a single problem with an adaptec 2420SA? >>>> >>>> I can name you a lot with the 2410SA. Non-functional >>>> commandline-interface that does not allow any automatisation. >>>> Keeps dropping drives. Takes forever to resync. No SMART support >>>> despite claims to the contrary. Incompetent technical support. >>>> >>>> Expensive trash. >>>> >>>> Arno >> >>> never had a drive drop or resync problems, and i've intentionally broken >>> arrays by yanking out the sata cables on a live system. >> >>> what firmware versions are you running? >> >> As this thing was unusable and I had to get the storage running, >> it has been disposed of by now, I expect. I bought it 4 years >> ago. > This card didn't even exist 4 years ago. Maybe it was 3 years. I diod nto invest a lot of time into it after I had to rip it out of the server because it did not work well. Arno
From: Arno Wagner on 10 Apr 2008 09:47 In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage Cydrome Leader <presence(a)mungepanix.com> wrote: > In comp.arch.storage Franc Zabkar <fzabkar(a)iinternode.on.net> wrote: >> On Wed, 9 Apr 2008 21:41:36 +0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader >> <presence(a)MUNGEpanix.com> put finger to keyboard and composed: >> >>>In comp.arch.storage Arno Wagner <me(a)privacy.net> wrote: >>>> In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage Cydrome Leader <presence(a)mungepanix.com> wrote: >>>>> In comp.arch.storage Arno Wagner <me(a)privacy.net> wrote: >>>>>> In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage Cydrome Leader <presence(a)mungepanix.com> wrote: >>>>>>> In comp.arch.storage Arno Wagner <me(a)privacy.net> wrote: >>>>>>>> In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage Doug White <gwhite(a)alum.mit.edu> wrote: >> >>>>>> I can name you a lot with the 2410SA. Non-functional >>>>>> commandline-interface that does not allow any automatisation. >>>>>> Keeps dropping drives. Takes forever to resync. No SMART support >>>>>> despite claims to the contrary. Incompetent technical support. >>>>>> >>>>>> Expensive trash. >>>>>> >>>>>> Arno >>>> >>>>> never had a drive drop or resync problems, and i've intentionally broken >>>>> arrays by yanking out the sata cables on a live system. >>>> >>>>> what firmware versions are you running? >>>> >>>> As this thing was unusable and I had to get the storage running, >>>> it has been disposed of by now, I expect. I bought it 4 years >>>> ago. >>> >>>This card didn't even exist 4 years ago. >> >> Product Reviews - Hard disks - Adaptec Serial ATA RAID 2410SA: >> http://www.pcpro.co.uk/reviews/50553/adaptec-serial-ata-raid-2410sa.html > a 2420sa isn't a 2410sa, kind of like how 3 isn't equal to 7 Both are numbers. If looking at a 3 strongly suggets the people producing it cannot count, the same is likely true for the 7. Oh, and BTW, you have just been caught in a lie. Anything you say now is suspect. Arno
From: Arno Wagner on 10 Apr 2008 09:48
In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage Franc Zabkar <fzabkar(a)iinternode.on.net> wrote: > On Wed, 9 Apr 2008 21:41:36 +0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader > <presence(a)MUNGEpanix.com> put finger to keyboard and composed: >>In comp.arch.storage Arno Wagner <me(a)privacy.net> wrote: >>> In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage Cydrome Leader <presence(a)mungepanix.com> wrote: >>>> In comp.arch.storage Arno Wagner <me(a)privacy.net> wrote: >>>>> In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage Cydrome Leader <presence(a)mungepanix.com> wrote: >>>>>> In comp.arch.storage Arno Wagner <me(a)privacy.net> wrote: >>>>>>> In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage Doug White <gwhite(a)alum.mit.edu> wrote: >>>>> I can name you a lot with the 2410SA. Non-functional >>>>> commandline-interface that does not allow any automatisation. >>>>> Keeps dropping drives. Takes forever to resync. No SMART support >>>>> despite claims to the contrary. Incompetent technical support. >>>>> >>>>> Expensive trash. >>>>> >>>>> Arno >>> >>>> never had a drive drop or resync problems, and i've intentionally broken >>>> arrays by yanking out the sata cables on a live system. >>> >>>> what firmware versions are you running? >>> >>> As this thing was unusable and I had to get the storage running, >>> it has been disposed of by now, I expect. I bought it 4 years >>> ago. >> >>This card didn't even exist 4 years ago. > Product Reviews - Hard disks - Adaptec Serial ATA RAID 2410SA: > http://www.pcpro.co.uk/reviews/50553/adaptec-serial-ata-raid-2410sa.html > PC Pro ISSUE: 111 DATE: Jan 04 Thanks. Seems some people are shamelessly lying just to give the impression some others are wrong. Disgusting. Arno |