From: Peter Korsgaard on
>>>>> "Peter" == Peter Hutterer <peter.hutterer(a)redhat.com> writes:

Hi,

Peter> with the quirk, the device exposes three /dev/input/event files, the
Peter> highest of which sends the actual events now (in X/Y). number two
Peter> looks like a mouse device (like yours), number three like a
Peter> touchscreen (BTN_TOUCH, etc.)
Peter> without the quirk, I only get two devices, the second of which looks
Peter> like a mix of mouse/touchscreen and it sends ABS_Z/ABS_RX while ABS_X
Peter> and ABS_Y are mute. I can get you the full evtest blurb but not before
Peter> Monday, the screen is in the office.

Ahh ok, strange that I'm not seing the same as you. The reason why
there's two devices by default is that the NW pretends to be a keyboard
with numlock/scrolllock/caplock so it can go into calibration mode if
you press the button a number of times (by default 6).

Peter> where do I get nwtool from? google is unusually quiet about it.

I guess I need more google-foo ;) It's a tool I wrote:

http://git.korsgaard.com/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=nwtool.git;a=summary

You can git clone from http://git.korsgaard.com/git/nwtool.git

Nextwindow unfortunately never documented the really interesting
commands (like how to make settings persistent), so it cannot do
everything the Windows tool can.

Peter> is it possible that you changed the report mode (or have it different
Peter> to me anyway) and that affects things?

Not that I'm aware - I just plugged the device in seconds before running
evtest.

FYI, now that we're talking about NW touchscreens - How is multiscreen
setups with evdev supposed to work? We need something to bind a
touchscreen to an Xrandr output to translate (and with 1.3+ reverse
transform) the coordinates. In the old days you could use evtouch with
seperate X screens and bind the touchscreens to each screen.

It's probably offtopic here, but we can move the discussion to the X
list if you prefer - Last time I asked there I didn't get any reply
though:

http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.freedesktop.xorg/40071/

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From: Peter Hutterer on
On 04/12/09 23:40, Peter Korsgaard wrote:
>>>>>> "Peter" == Peter Hutterer<peter.hutterer(a)redhat.com> writes:
> Peter> with the quirk, the device exposes three /dev/input/event files, the
> Peter> highest of which sends the actual events now (in X/Y). number two
> Peter> looks like a mouse device (like yours), number three like a
> Peter> touchscreen (BTN_TOUCH, etc.)
> Peter> without the quirk, I only get two devices, the second of which looks
> Peter> like a mix of mouse/touchscreen and it sends ABS_Z/ABS_RX while ABS_X
> Peter> and ABS_Y are mute. I can get you the full evtest blurb but not before
> Peter> Monday, the screen is in the office.
>
> Ahh ok, strange that I'm not seing the same as you. The reason why
> there's two devices by default is that the NW pretends to be a keyboard
> with numlock/scrolllock/caplock so it can go into calibration mode if
> you press the button a number of times (by default 6).

evtest output for the mouse device on kernel 2.6.31.6-150.fc12.x86_64,
I'll spare you the keyboard device, it's not particularly interesting.

Input driver version is 1.0.0
Input device ID: bus 0x3 vendor 0x1926 product 0x3 version 0x100
Input device name: "NextWindow Touchscreen"
Supported events:
Event type 0 (Sync)
Event type 1 (Key)
Event code 272 (LeftBtn)
Event code 273 (RightBtn)
Event code 274 (MiddleBtn)
Event code 320 (ToolPen)
Event code 330 (Touch)
Event type 2 (Relative)
Event code 8 (Wheel)
Event type 3 (Absolute)
Event code 0 (X)
Value 16384
Min 0
Max 32767
Event code 1 (Y)
Value 16384
Min 0
Max 32767
Event code 2 (Z)
Value 15078
Min 0
Max 32767
Event code 3 (Rx)
Value 20008
Min 0
Max 32767
Event type 4 (Misc)
Event code 4 (ScanCode)
Testing ... (interrupt to exit)
Event: time 1260143900.146760, type 1 (Key), code 320 (ToolPen), value 1
Event: time 1260143900.146775, type 3 (Absolute), code 2 (Z), value 14953
Event: time 1260143900.146777, type 3 (Absolute), code 3 (Rx), value 19456
Event: time 1260143900.146780, -------------- Report Sync ------------
Event: time 1260143900.150722, type 4 (Misc), code 4 (ScanCode), value d0042
Event: time 1260143900.150729, type 1 (Key), code 330 (Touch), value 1
Event: time 1260143900.150733, -------------- Report Sync ------------
Event: time 1260143900.166736, type 3 (Absolute), code 2 (Z), value 14931
Event: time 1260143900.166750, type 3 (Absolute), code 3 (Rx), value 19440
Event: time 1260143900.166753, -------------- Report Sync ------------
Event: time 1260143900.186736, type 3 (Absolute), code 2 (Z), value 14904
Event: time 1260143900.186749, type 3 (Absolute), code 3 (Rx), value 19394
Event: time 1260143900.186751, -------------- Report Sync ------------
Event: time 1260143900.202737, type 3 (Absolute), code 2 (Z), value 14844
Event: time 1260143900.202751, type 3 (Absolute), code 3 (Rx), value 19223
Event: time 1260143900.202754, -------------- Report Sync ------------
Event: time 1260143900.222737, type 4 (Misc), code 4 (ScanCode), value d0042
Event: time 1260143900.222748, type 1 (Key), code 330 (Touch), value 0
Event: time 1260143900.222753, -------------- Report Sync ------------
Event: time 1260143900.226723, type 1 (Key), code 320 (ToolPen), value 0


> Peter> where do I get nwtool from? google is unusually quiet about it.
>
> I guess I need more google-foo ;) It's a tool I wrote:
>
> http://git.korsgaard.com/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=nwtool.git;a=summary
>
> You can git clone from http://git.korsgaard.com/git/nwtool.git
>
> Nextwindow unfortunately never documented the really interesting
> commands (like how to make settings persistent), so it cannot do
> everything the Windows tool can.
>
> Peter> is it possible that you changed the report mode (or have it different
> Peter> to me anyway) and that affects things?
>
> Not that I'm aware - I just plugged the device in seconds before running
> evtest.

[root(a)touchie sbin]# ./nwtool -u -i
Version: 2.99
Serial: 617241
Model: 1901
HW capabilities: 0x40
Rightclick delay: 1000 ms
Doubleclick time: 200 ms
Report mode: 4
Drag threshold: 500
Buzzer time: 40 ms
Buzzer tone: 40
Calibration key: 4
Calibration presses: 3

looks like we do have a different reporting mode. Setting mode to 1 with
nwtool yields the same information that you provided in your last email.
After booting into Vista and resetting the screen to factory defaults,
the reporting mode is still 4.

> FYI, now that we're talking about NW touchscreens - How is multiscreen
> setups with evdev supposed to work? We need something to bind a
> touchscreen to an Xrandr output to translate (and with 1.3+ reverse
> transform) the coordinates. In the old days you could use evtouch with
> seperate X screens and bind the touchscreens to each screen.
>
> It's probably offtopic here, but we can move the discussion to the X
> list if you prefer - Last time I asked there I didn't get any reply
> though:
>
> http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.freedesktop.xorg/40071/

Ask louder :) I think I remember your email but it got flooded out of my
inbox. In general there should be some method to do that though I need
to check the implementation.

Cheers,
Peter


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From: Peter Korsgaard on
>>>>> "Peter" == Peter Hutterer <peter.hutterer(a)redhat.com> writes:

Hi,

Peter> evtest output for the mouse device on kernel
Peter> 2.6.31.6-150.fc12.x86_64, I'll spare you the keyboard device,
Peter> it's not particularly interesting.

Peter> Testing ... (interrupt to exit)
Peter> Event: time 1260143900.146760, type 1 (Key), code 320 (ToolPen), value 1
Peter> Event: time 1260143900.146775, type 3 (Absolute), code 2 (Z), value 14953
Peter> Event: time 1260143900.146777, type 3 (Absolute), code 3 (Rx), value 19456
Peter> Event: time 1260143900.146780, -------------- Report Sync ------------

Sorry, it seems like the nw controller I used the other day had old
firmware (product 0x1, firmware 2.91). With 2.92 I see the same
list of supported events, but I get X/Y events on motion instead of Z / Rx:

Event: time 1260344704.138808, type 3 (Absolute), code 0 (X), value 19097
Event: time 1260344704.138814, type 3 (Absolute), code 1 (Y), value 16704
Event: time 1260344704.138819, -------------- Report Sync ------------
Event: time 1260344704.158801, type 3 (Absolute), code 0 (X), value 19033
Event: time 1260344704.158808, type 3 (Absolute), code 1 (Y), value 16700
Event: time 1260344704.158814, -------------- Report Sync ------------
Event: time 1260344704.174803, type 4 (Misc), code 4 (ScanCode), value 90001
Event: time 1260344704.174807, type 1 (Key), code 272 (LeftBtn), value 0
Event: time 1260344704.174825, -------------- Report Sync ------------

Peter> [root(a)touchie sbin]# ./nwtool -u -i
Peter> Version: 2.99
Peter> Serial: 617241
Peter> Model: 1901
Peter> HW capabilities: 0x40
Peter> Rightclick delay: 1000 ms
Peter> Doubleclick time: 200 ms
Peter> Report mode: 4
Peter> Drag threshold: 500
Peter> Buzzer time: 40 ms
Peter> Buzzer tone: 40
Peter> Calibration key: 4
Peter> Calibration presses: 3

Hmm, what is report mode 4? Some kind of multi touch mode?

What do you see if you install the Nextwindow USB config tool under
Windows (unfortunately doesn't work under Wine) and look in the mouse
tab? I guess you have a 4th option here.

I see this: http://peter.korsgaard.com/nw.png

You can get usb config here:
http://www.nextwindow.com/nextwindow_support/software.html

>> It's probably offtopic here, but we can move the discussion to the X
>> list if you prefer - Last time I asked there I didn't get any reply
>> though:
>>
>> http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.freedesktop.xorg/40071/

Peter> Ask louder :) I think I remember your email but it got flooded out of
Peter> my inbox. In general there should be some method to do that though I
Peter> need to check the implementation.

OK, great - Let me know what you find. I did hack something up with
evtouch, but would like to move to evdev instead.
I'm willing to work on getting evdev to handle multi screen touchscreen
setups better if needed, I just need a bit of guidance on how it should
be handled.

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>>>>> "Peter" == Peter Korsgaard <jacmet(a)sunsite.dk> writes:

>>> It's probably offtopic here, but we can move the discussion to the X
>>> list if you prefer - Last time I asked there I didn't get any reply
>>> though:
>>>
>>> http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.freedesktop.xorg/40071/

Peter> Ask louder :) I think I remember your email but it got flooded
Peter> out of my inbox. In general there should be some method to do
Peter> that though I need to check the implementation.

Peter> OK, great - Let me know what you find. I did hack something up
Peter> with evtouch, but would like to move to evdev instead.

Did you find anything?

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From: Peter Hutterer on
On 09/12/09 19:42, Peter Korsgaard wrote:
> Peter> [root(a)touchie sbin]# ./nwtool -u -i
> Peter> Version: 2.99
> Peter> Serial: 617241
> Peter> Model: 1901
> Peter> HW capabilities: 0x40
> Peter> Rightclick delay: 1000 ms
> Peter> Doubleclick time: 200 ms
> Peter> Report mode: 4
> Peter> Drag threshold: 500
> Peter> Buzzer time: 40 ms
> Peter> Buzzer tone: 40
> Peter> Calibration key: 4
> Peter> Calibration presses: 3
>
> Hmm, what is report mode 4? Some kind of multi touch mode?
>
> What do you see if you install the Nextwindow USB config tool under
> Windows (unfortunately doesn't work under Wine) and look in the mouse
> tab? I guess you have a 4th option here.
>
> I see this: http://peter.korsgaard.com/nw.png

argh. now you made me use vista! ;)

Installed version 2.8 today, it offers three modes in his interface:
None, HID Mouse and "USB Digitiser". The last one was selected when I
started into Vista. There's an extra checkbox "Multi-Touch reporting"
that was not ticked.

The different combinations and the reporting mode output of nwtool:
USB Digitizer - multi-touch not ticked: reporting mode 4
USB Digitizer - multi-touch ticked: reporting mode 3
USB HID Mouse - multi-touch not ticked: reporting mode 1
USB HID Mouse - multi-touch ticked: reporting mode 9
None - multi-touch not ticked: reporting mode 0
None - multi-touch ticked: reporting mode 8

For reporting mode 4 and 3, the events are Z/Rx + touch
For reporting mode 1 and 9, the events are ABS_X/Y and left button
For reporting mode 0 and 8, no events are sent (unsurprisingly)

So it seems the only difference between our two models is the default
reporting mode - assuming that 4 is the default, we've had this thing
for a year without doing much with it but it could well be that someone
set it earlier or one of the HP Touchsmart software pieces changed it.

> >> It's probably offtopic here, but we can move the discussion to the X
> >> list if you prefer - Last time I asked there I didn't get any reply
> >> though:
> >>
> >> http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.freedesktop.xorg/40071/
>
> Peter> Ask louder :) I think I remember your email but it got flooded out of
> Peter> my inbox. In general there should be some method to do that though I
> Peter> need to check the implementation.
>
> OK, great - Let me know what you find. I did hack something up with
> evtouch, but would like to move to evdev instead.
> I'm willing to work on getting evdev to handle multi screen touchscreen
> setups better if needed, I just need a bit of guidance on how it should
> be handled.

replying to your email right now.

Cheers,
Peter
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