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From: Joe L on 15 Jul 2008 13:46 "bob urz" <sound(a)inetnebr.com> wrote in message news:1216138595_12992(a)isp.n... > Eeyore wrote: >> >> George's ProSound Company wrote: >> >> >>>"liquidator" <mikeh(a)mad.scientist.com> wrot >>> >>>>I suppose someone will now suggest a microphone is an electrical >>>>network... >>> >>>we beat this dead horse a few months ago with arnii and eyesore claiming >>>that everyfucking thing is a filter >> >> >> Everything *IS* a filter. Even your car's suspension. >> >> You have to be scientifically incompetent to think otherwise. >> >> Graham >> > Of course you are technical correct. A loud speaker can be modeled > (as theile and small told us and set the standard) > > So can a microphone. kind of boarders on more control systems > theory with mechanical limits and resonances involved. > > BUT, i think most of us think of a filter as something that acts > on a source. Translation: Most of us don't think of a transducer > as a filter in the true sense. Technically, it is. Rather than think > of a transducer as a filter, i think the generally thinking is the > treat it as a imperfect voltage or current source. > > Its sort of stupid to argue ad nauseum about if it is, or is not.... > What you or i think won't change the laws of Physics. > > > Arny, there are much better things to waist hours of bandwidth arguing > over.... > > bob This has strayed so far past my initial post, such as what are some of the ways & favorite settings operators use the VARIABLE filters. Unless one is gonna change mic's during a perfomance, that is totally a FIXED source, no matter that it's not flat. Sure proximity effect can change that source, but it's still not a VARIABLE filter that can change passively without yelling at the performer, or passing them a different mic. It's like calling a woman a vase case she's technically made up of a lot of water.;-P But it really does miss the point, entirely. JL
From: liquidator on 15 Jul 2008 13:52 "bob urz" <sound(a)inetnebr.com> wrote in message news:1216138595_12992(a)isp.n... > Eeyore wrote: > > > > George's ProSound Company wrote: > > > > > >>"liquidator" <mikeh(a)mad.scientist.com> wrot > >> > >>>I suppose someone will now suggest a microphone is an electrical > >>>network... > >> > >>we beat this dead horse a few months ago with arnii and eyesore claiming > >>that everyfucking thing is a filter > > > > > > Everything *IS* a filter. Even your car's suspension. > > > > You have to be scientifically incompetent to think otherwise. > > > > Graham > > > Of course you are technical correct. A loud speaker can be modeled > (as theile and small told us and set the standard) > > So can a microphone. kind of boarders on more control systems > theory with mechanical limits and resonances involved. > > BUT, i think most of us think of a filter as something that acts > on a source. Translation: Most of us don't think of a transducer > as a filter in the true sense. Technically, it is. Rather than think > of a transducer as a filter, i think the generally thinking is the > treat it as a imperfect voltage or current source. > > Its sort of stupid to argue ad nauseum about if it is, or is not.... > What you or i think won't change the laws of Physics. > > > Arny, there are much better things to waist hours of bandwidth arguing > over.... > > bob > The whole thing reminds me of the guy who sent ten puns to friends, in the hope one would make them laugh. No pun in ten did.
From: Phildo on 15 Jul 2008 16:45 "Ron(UK)" <ron(a)lunevalleyaudio.com> wrote in message news:w_OdnXmIgpRlOuHVnZ2dnUVZ8sHinZ2d(a)bt.com... > How come these ancient old threads have been resurected? They were put to > bed months ago! I got a new news server and am catching up on posts I missed. Got another 2000-odd to go but no idea when I'll get round to them. Server retention goes back 3 or 4 years !!! Phildo
From: Eeyore on 15 Jul 2008 18:39 Joe L wrote: > This has strayed so far past my initial post, such as what are some of the > ways & favorite settings operators use the VARIABLE filters. Unless one is > gonna change mic's during a perfomance, that is totally a FIXED source, no > matter that it's not flat. Sure proximity effect can change that source, but > it's still not a VARIABLE filter that can change passively without yelling > at the performer, or passing them a different mic. > > It's like calling a woman a vase case she's technically made up of a lot of > water.;-P But it really does miss the point, entirely. How about starting a new more explicitly named thread ? Graham
From: Eeyore on 15 Jul 2008 18:45
Phildo wrote: > "Ron(UK)" <ron(a)lunevalleyaudio.com> wrote > > > How come these ancient old threads have been resurected? They were put to > > bed months ago! > > I got a new news server and am catching up on posts I missed. Got another > 2000-odd to go but no idea when I'll get round to them. > > Server retention goes back 3 or 4 years !!! GOD HELP US ! Graham |