From: Roveer on
On Jul 25, 6:05 pm, "Thomas A. Rowe" <tar...(a)mvps.org> wrote:
> At no time has MS ever use the Java Hover Button applet to create a slideshow, etc.
>
> Which version of FP did you use to create this slideshow?
>
> Can you email me the link via my site below?
>
> --
> ==============================================
> Thomas A. Rowe
> Microsoft MVP - FrontPagehttp://www.Ecom-Data.com
> ==============================================
>
> "Roveer" <rov...(a)erols.com> wrote in message
>
> news:63409dd9-1897-40bd-8233-9eb67fbe7143(a)m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > I'd rather not post the website link in a newsgroup
>
> > Here's an example of what I'm dealing with:
>
> >http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j196/roveer/webexample.jpg
>
> > Those buttons that you see are presently "hover buttons" and don't
> > display correctly (actually don't display at all) on PC's that don't
> > have a JVM installed.  If I'm not mistaken that's every PC that has XP
> > & Vista that is sold retail?  That's a lot of PC's.
>
> > What I'd like to do is to continue to use the exact same button look
> > (colors & dimensions) but just make them interactive buttons instead.
> > I'm not concerned about hover color changes or click color changes
> > although I see IB's can do that.  Problem is, from what I can see IB's
> > only give you what FP's makes available (about 20 or 30 different
> > buttons none of which matches my color.  Is there a way to customize
> > an interactive button to use my colors?  Or, I'm looking at just
> > inserting a picture of my button and making a hyperlink.  Problem is I
> > have no good way to put the label in the button.  Trying to use MS
> > paint gives me a low quality button.  I'm sure this is all easy
> > enought, but I'm not very experienced with FP so I'm having trouble
> > figuring it out.
>
> > Seems kind of strange that MS makes use of JS with hover buttons but
> > then does not support it in their OS.  Am I wrong here?
>
> > Roveer- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Not sure where you got the idea that there was a slideshow. Those
buttons just link to pages which contain other pictures. This is
really basic navigation stuff. My point is, FP has put hover buttons
as a feature in their software. Insert, Hover Button. Isn't this
javascript? So they made a feature available in FP that would draw FP
designers to use (cause it's kinda cool), BUT their OS doesn't support
it.

Not sure about the lawsuit, but from what I've read over the years MS
wanted to crush java and went about doing that by NOT making it a
standard feature in their OS.

In any event, any ideas on how I can make a custom "Interactive
Button" that looks just like the ones in my picture?

Roveer
From: Steve Easton on

"Roveer" <roveer(a)erols.com> wrote in message
news:45fb83c4-aa39-442a-b90b-85253806b61b(a)79g2000hsk.googlegroups.com...
On Jul 25, 6:05 pm, "Thomas A. Rowe" <tar...(a)mvps.org> wrote:
> At no time has MS ever use the Java Hover Button applet to create a slideshow, etc.
>
> Which version of FP did you use to create this slideshow?
>
> Can you email me the link via my site below?
>
> --
> ==============================================
> Thomas A. Rowe
> Microsoft MVP - FrontPagehttp://www.Ecom-Data.com
> ==============================================
>
> "Roveer" <rov...(a)erols.com> wrote in message
>
> news:63409dd9-1897-40bd-8233-9eb67fbe7143(a)m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > I'd rather not post the website link in a newsgroup
>
> > Here's an example of what I'm dealing with:
>
> >http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j196/roveer/webexample.jpg
>
> > Those buttons that you see are presently "hover buttons" and don't
> > display correctly (actually don't display at all) on PC's that don't
> > have a JVM installed. If I'm not mistaken that's every PC that has XP
> > & Vista that is sold retail? That's a lot of PC's.
>
> > What I'd like to do is to continue to use the exact same button look
> > (colors & dimensions) but just make them interactive buttons instead.
> > I'm not concerned about hover color changes or click color changes
> > although I see IB's can do that. Problem is, from what I can see IB's
> > only give you what FP's makes available (about 20 or 30 different
> > buttons none of which matches my color. Is there a way to customize
> > an interactive button to use my colors? Or, I'm looking at just
> > inserting a picture of my button and making a hyperlink. Problem is I
> > have no good way to put the label in the button. Trying to use MS
> > paint gives me a low quality button. I'm sure this is all easy
> > enought, but I'm not very experienced with FP so I'm having trouble
> > figuring it out.
>
> > Seems kind of strange that MS makes use of JS with hover buttons but
> > then does not support it in their OS. Am I wrong here?
>
> > Roveer- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Not sure where you got the idea that there was a slideshow. Those
buttons just link to pages which contain other pictures. This is
really basic navigation stuff. My point is, FP has put hover buttons
as a feature in their software. Insert, Hover Button. Isn't this
javascript?

No it's not javascript it's java, also known as Java Virtual Machine.

So they made a feature available in FP that would draw FP
designers to use (cause it's kinda cool), BUT their OS doesn't support
it.

Hover buttons were available in FP 2002 and earlier. they are not available in FP 2003

Not sure about the lawsuit, but from what I've read over the years MS
wanted to crush java and went about doing that by NOT making it a
standard feature in their OS.

Not true, they lost a lawsuit and were forced to remove java.

In any event, any ideas on how I can make a custom "Interactive
Button" that looks just like the ones in my picture?

If you want the exact thing, take screenshots and edit them with an image editor
and cut out the buttons and save them as jpg files.
Then use javascript to swap the images when hovered or clicked.


From: Roveer on
On Jul 27, 11:25 am, "Steve Easton" <ad...(a)95isalive.com> wrote:
> "Roveer" <rov...(a)erols.com> wrote in message
>
> news:45fb83c4-aa39-442a-b90b-85253806b61b(a)79g2000hsk.googlegroups.com...
> On Jul 25, 6:05 pm, "Thomas A. Rowe" <tar...(a)mvps.org> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > At no time has MS ever use the Java Hover Button applet to create a slideshow, etc.
>
> > Which version of FP did you use to create this slideshow?
>
> > Can you email me the link via my site below?
>
> > --
> > ==============================================
> > Thomas A. Rowe
> > Microsoft MVP - FrontPagehttp://www.Ecom-Data.com
> > ==============================================
>
> > "Roveer" <rov...(a)erols.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:63409dd9-1897-40bd-8233-9eb67fbe7143(a)m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com....
>
> > > I'd rather not post the website link in a newsgroup
>
> > > Here's an example of what I'm dealing with:
>
> > >http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j196/roveer/webexample.jpg
>
> > > Those buttons that you see are presently "hover buttons" and don't
> > > display correctly (actually don't display at all) on PC's that don't
> > > have a JVM installed. If I'm not mistaken that's every PC that has XP
> > > & Vista that is sold retail? That's a lot of PC's.
>
> > > What I'd like to do is to continue to use the exact same button look
> > > (colors & dimensions) but just make them interactive buttons instead.
> > > I'm not concerned about hover color changes or click color changes
> > > although I see IB's can do that. Problem is, from what I can see IB's
> > > only give you what FP's makes available (about 20 or 30 different
> > > buttons none of which matches my color. Is there a way to customize
> > > an interactive button to use my colors? Or, I'm looking at just
> > > inserting a picture of my button and making a hyperlink. Problem is I
> > > have no good way to put the label in the button. Trying to use MS
> > > paint gives me a low quality button. I'm sure this is all easy
> > > enought, but I'm not very experienced with FP so I'm having trouble
> > > figuring it out.
>
> > > Seems kind of strange that MS makes use of JS with hover buttons but
> > > then does not support it in their OS. Am I wrong here?
>
> > > Roveer- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Not sure where you got the idea that there was a slideshow.  Those
> buttons just link to pages which contain other pictures.  This is
> really basic navigation stuff.  My point is, FP has put hover buttons
> as a feature in their software.  Insert, Hover Button.  Isn't this
> javascript?
>
> No it's not javascript it's java, also known as Java Virtual Machine.
>
>  So they made a feature available in FP that would draw FP
> designers to use (cause it's kinda cool), BUT their OS doesn't support
> it.
>
> Hover buttons were available in FP 2002 and earlier. they are not available in FP 2003
>
> Not sure about the lawsuit, but from what I've read over the years MS
> wanted to crush java and went about doing that by NOT making it a
> standard feature in their OS.
>
> Not true, they lost a lawsuit and were forced to remove java.
>
> In any event, any ideas on how I can make a custom "Interactive
> Button" that looks just like the ones in my picture?
>
> If you want the exact thing, take screenshots and edit them with an image editor
> and cut out the buttons and save them as jpg files.
> Then use javascript to swap the images when hovered or clicked.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Thanks for cleaing up the MS Java issues. Indeed HB's are no longer
in FP.

I had already tried what you suggested with the screenshots on the
buttons, but I get a somewhat less attractive button. (the quality
goes down).

I've got GIF files of the buttons but I'm having a hard time getting
labels into them without making a mess of them. Using MS Paint the
button is too small and trying to put text in is very difficult. I
guess I'll keep trying. If anyone can suggest an alternate graphics
editor that might make things a little easier that would be great.
Problem is, I've got over 80 buttons to do. Kinda sucks.

Roveer

From: Roveer on
On Jul 27, 5:20 pm, Roveer <rov...(a)erols.com> wrote:
> On Jul 27, 11:25 am, "Steve Easton" <ad...(a)95isalive.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Roveer" <rov...(a)erols.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:45fb83c4-aa39-442a-b90b-85253806b61b(a)79g2000hsk.googlegroups.com...
> > On Jul 25, 6:05 pm, "Thomas A. Rowe" <tar...(a)mvps.org> wrote:
>
> > > At no time has MS ever use the Java Hover Button applet to create a slideshow, etc.
>
> > > Which version of FP did you use to create this slideshow?
>
> > > Can you email me the link via my site below?
>
> > > --
> > > ==============================================
> > > Thomas A. Rowe
> > > Microsoft MVP - FrontPagehttp://www.Ecom-Data.com
> > > ==============================================
>
> > > "Roveer" <rov...(a)erols.com> wrote in message
>
> > >news:63409dd9-1897-40bd-8233-9eb67fbe7143(a)m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com....
>
> > > > I'd rather not post the website link in a newsgroup
>
> > > > Here's an example of what I'm dealing with:
>
> > > >http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j196/roveer/webexample.jpg
>
> > > > Those buttons that you see are presently "hover buttons" and don't
> > > > display correctly (actually don't display at all) on PC's that don't
> > > > have a JVM installed. If I'm not mistaken that's every PC that has XP
> > > > & Vista that is sold retail? That's a lot of PC's.
>
> > > > What I'd like to do is to continue to use the exact same button look
> > > > (colors & dimensions) but just make them interactive buttons instead.
> > > > I'm not concerned about hover color changes or click color changes
> > > > although I see IB's can do that. Problem is, from what I can see IB's
> > > > only give you what FP's makes available (about 20 or 30 different
> > > > buttons none of which matches my color. Is there a way to customize
> > > > an interactive button to use my colors? Or, I'm looking at just
> > > > inserting a picture of my button and making a hyperlink. Problem is I
> > > > have no good way to put the label in the button. Trying to use MS
> > > > paint gives me a low quality button. I'm sure this is all easy
> > > > enought, but I'm not very experienced with FP so I'm having trouble
> > > > figuring it out.
>
> > > > Seems kind of strange that MS makes use of JS with hover buttons but
> > > > then does not support it in their OS. Am I wrong here?
>
> > > > Roveer- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > Not sure where you got the idea that there was a slideshow.  Those
> > buttons just link to pages which contain other pictures.  This is
> > really basic navigation stuff.  My point is, FP has put hover buttons
> > as a feature in their software.  Insert, Hover Button.  Isn't this
> > javascript?
>
> > No it's not javascript it's java, also known as Java Virtual Machine.
>
> >  So they made a feature available in FP that would draw FP
> > designers to use (cause it's kinda cool), BUT their OS doesn't support
> > it.
>
> > Hover buttons were available in FP 2002 and earlier. they are not available in FP 2003
>
> > Not sure about the lawsuit, but from what I've read over the years MS
> > wanted to crush java and went about doing that by NOT making it a
> > standard feature in their OS.
>
> > Not true, they lost a lawsuit and were forced to remove java.
>
> > In any event, any ideas on how I can make a custom "Interactive
> > Button" that looks just like the ones in my picture?
>
> > If you want the exact thing, take screenshots and edit them with an image editor
> > and cut out the buttons and save them as jpg files.
> > Then use javascript to swap the images when hovered or clicked.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Thanks for cleaing up the MS Java issues.  Indeed HB's are no longer
> in FP.
>
> I had already tried what you suggested with the screenshots on the
> buttons, but I get a somewhat less attractive button. (the quality
> goes down).
>
> I've got GIF files of the buttons but I'm having a hard time getting
> labels into them without making a mess of them.  Using MS Paint the
> button is too small and trying to put text in is very difficult.  I
> guess I'll keep trying.  If anyone can suggest an alternate graphics
> editor that might make things a little easier that would be great.
> Problem is, I've got over 80 buttons to do.  Kinda sucks.
>
> Roveer- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Never mind, I was able to get a good button from MS Paint. Not
looking forward to 80 more buttons though...

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