From: Vahis on
On 2008-05-06, Vahis <waxborg(a)gmail.com.invalid> wrote:
> On 2008-05-05, EOS <heelstraf(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Riberto wrote:
>>
><snip>
>>>
>>> Is there a program or a way to adjust any of these popular web browsers
>>> to emulate Internet Explorer?
>
><snip>
>>
>> IE6 on a linux, do in a konsole:
>> wget http://www.tatanka.com.br/ies4linux/downloads/ies4linux-latest.tar.gz
>> tar zxvf ies4linux-latest.tar.gz
>> cd ies4linux-*
>> ./ies4linux
>>
>> http://www.tatanka.com.br/ies4linux/page/Main_Page
>
> That was interesting so I did it, but no cigar:
>
> ies4linux-2.99.0.1> ./ies4linux
> No user interface available. Use command-line ies4linux or install
> pygtk. Details: http://www.tatanka.com.br/ies4linux/page/No_GUI
>
> Then, that link gives:
>
> "There is currently no text in this page, you can search for this page
> title in other pages or edit this page."
>
> I'm still using VMware :)
>
> Vahis

I went on and installed python-qt

That did it

Vahis
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From: Darrell Stec on
class_a wrote:

> Darrell Stec wrote:
>
>>> And sure windowses can be bought.
>>>
>>
>> But that is the whole point. They already purchased Windows once with
>> the
>> machine, just like I did with mine. The purchase price was built in.
>> When there are no disks and only an all or nothing recovery partition
>> then
>> virtual machines are of no use. To use Windows they must purchase a
>> second copy on disk.
>>
>> So yes Windows can be purchased but with a VM it gets bought twice.
>
> Just install from a 'copy' of a regular Windows install disk. The
> important point, legally, is whether you have a license to use it or
> not. If one came with your original machine then you should be fine
> provided you haven't used that license to install it elsewhere due to M$
> 'one install per license' policy. The install media is fairly
> irrelevant, it's the usage license you need to worry about, which you
> already have so no need to buy a second one!

I think technically Microsoft considers that pirating in any case. My whole
point is that Vahis is excluding a whole class of computers and should be
aware of it. Most new retail computers now come with that stupid recovery
partition. I can't tell you how many customers never made up the required
backup to DVDs of that recovery partition and then had to buy a new hard
drive because of mechanical failure. And I won't even get into the Tattoo
on HP and Compaq products.

I think commercial clients are stuck with purchasing another copy of
Windows.

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From: Vahis on
On 2008-05-06, Will Honea <whonea(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
> Vahis wrote:
>
>> Virtual machine gives a disk image to the guest OS who takes it as a disk.
>> It also provides it with the rest of the virtual hardware.
>> The guest won't touch the rest of the disk. It does not even know there's
>> life outside this virtual machine.
>
> For my edification, is it a safe assumption that a restore operation would
> be equally isolated?

I've had no issues, ever.
> I have seen both types - the one that only messed
> with the logical partitions as defined, the other that wanted to re-format
> the whole bloody physical disk.

I don't follow.
Virtual disk image is not a logical partition.
> The exception to the latter case was that
> every one I tried would leave the hidden partition alone and use that to
> re-install if necessary but I'm a pessimist and really don't want to chance
> losing the other partitions so I'd appreciate input from someone that has
> actually tried the re-install from some of those hard drive
> resident "sources".

I don't follow. Virtual machines are just files, where ever you put
them. What hidden partitions?
>

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From: Darrell Stec on
Vahis wrote:

> On 2008-05-05, Darrell Stec <darrell_stec(a)webpagesorcery.com> wrote:
>> Vahis wrote:
>>
>>> On 2008-05-05, Riberto <riberto(a)ml1.net> wrote:
>>>> I have been a Suse Linux user for several years now.
>>>> Currently use OpenSuse 10.3 looking forward to 11.0
>>>>
>>>> For work I HAVE to use that other stuff cause my Company uses some
>>>> programs written for that stuff and we ARE required to use it WITH OUT
>>>> messing with it!
>>>>
>>>> Heck its their money so what can I say!!!
>>>>
> <snip>
>>>> Is there a program or a way to adjust any of these popular web browsers
>>>> to emulate Internet Explorer?
>>>> There are times I need to access these sites for WORK and hate to
>>>> switch over to the WRONG side of my laptop's partition.
> <snip>
>>> You can run IE in Linux with wine:
>>> http://www.winehq.org/
>>>
>>> Or you can run the whole windows in Linux with VMware.
>>> I've made instructions to put it in openSUSE:
>>>
>>> http://waxborg.servepics.com/english/linux/vmware.en.html
>>>
>>> There's also VirtualBox, included in openSUSE which does the same thing.
>>> I've been happy with VMware, so I've got no experience with the latter.
>>>
>>> I'd reckon just for the browser, use Wine :)
>>>
>>> Vahis
>>
>> But that requires that they purchase Winders.
>
> This was a company in question who requires windows IE?
> They don't want Linux?
> So they phey pay?
>
>
>> And none of those virtual
>> machines will work with many modern computers because the manufacturers
>> do not provide Windows disks anymore.
>
> None will work? Where did you get that from?
>
> And sure windowses can be bought.
>

But that is the whole point. They already purchased Windows once with the
machine, just like I did with mine. The purchase price was built in. When
there are no disks and only an all or nothing recovery partition then
virtual machines are of no use. To use Windows they must purchase a second
copy on disk.

So yes Windows can be purchased but with a VM it gets bought twice.

>> A great many of them have a restoration
>> partition that wipes out the harddrive and restores the computer to its
>> pristine, just bought condition. Even if the VM is free, it is going to
>> cause an outlay of cash for the Winders disks.
>
> Virtual machine gives a disk image to the guest OS who takes it as a disk.
> It also provides it with the rest of the virtual hardware.
> The guest won't touch the rest of the disk. It does not even know there's
> life outside this virtual machine.
>

But doesn't Windows have to be installed on the Linux partition or are you
saying that with a dual boot setup, a virtual machine talks to the Windows
partition from the Linux partition?

I didn't think that was the case.

>
> Vahis

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From: class_a on
Darrell Stec wrote:

>> And sure windowses can be bought.
>>
>
> But that is the whole point. They already purchased Windows once with the
> machine, just like I did with mine. The purchase price was built in. When
> there are no disks and only an all or nothing recovery partition then
> virtual machines are of no use. To use Windows they must purchase a second
> copy on disk.
>
> So yes Windows can be purchased but with a VM it gets bought twice.

Just install from a 'copy' of a regular Windows install disk. The
important point, legally, is whether you have a license to use it or
not. If one came with your original machine then you should be fine
provided you haven't used that license to install it elsewhere due to M$
'one install per license' policy. The install media is fairly
irrelevant, it's the usage license you need to worry about, which you
already have so no need to buy a second one!