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From: Vahis on 6 May 2008 10:26
On 2008-05-06, houghi <houghi(a)houghi.org.invalid> wrote:
> Vahis wrote:
>> Have you any experience of Mac in a VM?
>
> I have experienced a real live Mac once. I sometimes still cry in my
> sleep over it.
>
> houghi

I spent quite some years in the printing industry (prepress area) in the
past with Macs.
That era meaning the time of PostScript being invented and
implemented.

The Mac was _the_ de facto standard. That's where _all_ publishing
software originated.

The only application where it did not konquer that world was PostScript
ripping. All rips were either Unix or PC based.
(Before that they all were Proprietary HW and SW, the old "Dinosaurs")

Professional software were like PhotoShop, PageMaker, FreeHand,
QuarkXpress etc, all only available for Macs.

Later publishing software became available for the PC.
The customers had wins to start with in their offices.
As "DTP" or Desk Top Publishing started to spread the files made in win environments
forced the prepress shops to get PC workstations, too.

Before that time, all publishing software was developed in "Mac world".
That's quite amazing, since maybe one of a million micro computers were
Macs.

Unix was there traditionally in different versions in heavy servers (like Sun
Microsystems hardware and Solaris and also some SiliconGraphics).

MacIntosh had a WorkGroup Server that looked and felt like a Mac but
was running their own version of AIX.

I knew of some software in Linux, mainly work flow and impositioning
software.

I liked the Macs a lot but they were far too expensive for a home user.
I still do and often miss one...

Summa summarum: Grab always the best tool for the job, never mind what
they call it :)

Vahis
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From: ray on 6 May 2008 10:29
On Tue, 06 May 2008 07:44:46 -0400, Claude Hopper ⑪ ⒌ ☺ wrote:

> Riberto wrote:
>> I have been a Suse Linux user for several years now. Currently use
>> OpenSuse 10.3 looking forward to 11.0
>>
>> For work I HAVE to use that other stuff cause my Company uses some
>> programs written for that stuff and we ARE required to use it WITH OUT
>> messing with it!
>>
>> Heck its their money so what can I say!!!
>>
>> Recently their glorious IT department made some changes in their
>> website and I am told we must use Internet Explorer to access these new
>> features. They are right, I have tried and failed to have full use
>> with Firefox, Galeon, Konqueror and Opera.
>>
>> Is there a program or a way to adjust any of these popular web browsers
>> to emulate Internet Explorer?
>> There are times I need to access these sites for WORK and hate to
>> switch over to the WRONG side of my laptop's partition.
>>
>> Your input will be greatly appreciated!
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
> They working for Microsoft? Or just too stupid to create web pages
> properly for ALL browsers?

Most likely using the defaults in frontpage.
From: Vahis on 6 May 2008 11:23
On 2008-05-06, houghi <houghi(a)houghi.org.invalid> wrote:
> Vahis wrote:
>> The Mac was _the_ de facto standard. That's where _all_ publishing
>> software originated.
>
> Look at what goes on now in the world. Windows is now _the_ de facto
> standard for many things. That does not make it nice to work with.

It was then already. Like I said, maybe one of a million was a Mac.
But since it was better for the job, it was used in that particular job.

In publishing million to one and the rest of the world one to a million.
>
>> I liked the Macs a lot but they were far too expensive for a home user.
>> I still do and often miss one...
>
> I tried them and had nightmares. Terrible user unfriendly thing.

I have quite the opposite feelings.
Easy to use for the stuff it's meant for.
But of course you have no idea what's under the hood and that's a
problem to some :).

I'm talking about the time before Mac OS X.
OS X I know nothing about.

> I could
> not figure out anything on how to do things. And I would not call myself
> computer-illeterate.

It cannot have been you who has said that if you can not figure it out
it's you to blame, not the system :)
>
>> Summa summarum: Grab always the best tool for the job, never mind what
>> they call it :)
>
> Unless it is a Mac (at least for me). I would not want one if they gave
> money on top of it.

In case you will have that opportunity, give me private mail, I'm sure
we can come to an arrangement :)

Vahis
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