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From: Bernie on 4 May 2008 09:38
On Sat, 03 May 2008 21:02:26 +0000, Canuck57 wrote:

>
> <santiago538(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:ceb43b9f-854c-4d4d-874d-609beac0987a(a)27g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>> Shares are down 20% this morning. I see all around migration from
>> Solaris to Linux, but have yet to see the reverse. Usage of Solaris x86
>> seems to be confined largely to enthusiasts, much as OS/2 and BeOS. Most
>> young computer savvy people I know love Linux and despise Sun.
>>
>> Every indication is that Solaris is moribund :-(
>
> Solaris is much more popular than BeOS and OS/2 combined.

That's because they are both as good as dead themselves rotflmao


> Lets get that
> one out of the way. Many large companies with the money to spend on E25K
> or M9000 systems (big boy systems) use Solaris. If you are running a
> 500-3000 session of ERP or very large applications, you are likely running
> a real UNIX like Solaris.

They use freebsd and linux (SuSE and Redhat for example) too. These
systems are much richer in terms of applications software than solaris.

> If into the supercomputer clusters, Linux rules.

Linux on AMD (not sparc) rules

> But this is often custom
> code in science. Like weather that needs a parallel and distributed
> ability well suited for a large Linux cluster.

As it would be if you wanted to implement such a system using sparc.
There just are not the general applications that run on parallel systems
now (or yet) so your argument is a straw man.

> On the desktop, UNIX died some time ago with the only exception being the
> Mac and Linux in smaller percentages. Linux and Mac are really all there
> is in the desktop. Oh, you might find the odd HP-UX or Sun system still
> alive somewhere, but no one buys them much any more.


No no no no no, pcbsd is coming on nicely. It's way more useable than
solaris.

> I have not met too many young and savvy, I see quantity. Most can't
> compile C let alone read it.

Any fool can compile software including C. Anyhow, C is a horrible and I
wouldn't blame anyone for preferring another language, Pascal say, or
even Fortran. There are lots of scripting type languages coming these days
also. C is just too awful to comprehend - I freely admit it and I have a
physics degree.

> Then they write it in Java for a server,
> and run out of scale ability and blame the OS/hardware.

Java just blobs around unless your machine is very fast.

> Know of one
> project right now having this issue and no one listened. They are 2
> years behind.
> Trouble was, they got it working for a few sessions. 1GB for the first
> session with and estimate of 500M for each additional. Now scale that
> up to 3000 concurrent users. It isn't going to work. But I digress...
>
> Keep your Linux skills up. Linux is on a slow rise. If you have run
> Vista, you know it's core is unsuitable as a server.

Vistas core is unsuitable period! It's a spying piece of microshafting
rubbish.

> I will predict
> Linux is going to nibble away at the server

Linux has already got all the server markets that matter barring a few
which solaris and freebsd may have.


> and desktop markets. It is
> inevitable that open source wins for a number of reasons. The big one
> is no one trusts Micro$oft.

Microsoft shot themselves in the foot or both feet with vista. It can
only benefit Linux and any other open source os like the bsd's.

From: Bill Pechter on 4 May 2008 15:01
In article <ipnre5-l9g.ln1(a)mail.specsol.com>,
<jimp(a)specsol.spam.sux.com> wrote:
>santiago538(a)yahoo.com <santiago538(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Shares are down 20% this morning. I see all around migration from
>> Solaris to Linux, but have yet to see the reverse. Usage of Solaris
>> x86 seems to be confined largely to enthusiasts, much as OS/2 and
>> BeOS. Most young computer savvy people I know love Linux and despise
>> Sun.
>
>> Every indication is that Solaris is moribund :-(
>
>Some things that are just around the corner and have been for decades:
>
>True artificial intelligence
>Fusion power
>Peace in the Middle East
>The death of Unix
>The death of Solaris
>The death of Sun
>The death of Microsoft
>The death of all non X86 processors
>A reinvigortated Saturday Night Live as good as the original
>
>
>--
>Jim Pennino
>
>Remove .spam.sux to reply.

Add VMS on x86...

You'll see SNL back funny first.

Bill

--
--
Be comforted that in the face of all erridity and disallusionment, and
despite the changing fortunes of time, there is always a big future in
computer maintainance. --Deteriorata (pechter-at-gmail-dot-com)
From: Paul Floyd on 4 May 2008 15:14
On Sat, 03 May 2008 20:37:35 GMT, Canuck57 <dave-no_spam(a)unixhome.net> wrote:

> Perhaps if you produced a version of your software for Solaris x86 they
> might come...

On paper, we do have a Solaris x86 version. Still no-one's asked for it
yet.

> Which drives most people to Linux. Which of course I run also.

Same here. And FreeBSD and Mac OS X.

A bientot
Paul
--
Paul Floyd http://paulf.free.fr
From: Thommy M. on 6 May 2008 13:26
pavelj wrote:
> Hi guys.
> I've read all the posts so far and I'm amazed.
> I work in the telecom industry for several years.
> ALL the telecom\cellular\ISP and other companies i know use solaris on
> more than 90% of their servers.

That's true. I Sweden the big telco company, E///, ships Sun and Solaris
systems all over the world. The stand for +50% of Sun sales in Sweden

> Some of you write that many ppl know only Solaris 7\8 and this is
> their perception of the Sun's os.
> It maybe true for some places. But the picture i see is very
> different. Sun has done a good job to push Solaris10.
> I also know many startups and and small companies that have moved to
> Solaris on x86. Mostly porting from Linux due to performance problems
> and scalability. There is no virtualisation method yet that has the
> same advantages and almost zero overhead like Zones.
> The problem is that few talk about it openly.
> I get the feeling that many ppl think that anything else than Linux is
> "uncool" for some reason.

And how cool is Linux, really? Hardy Heron hasn't any really new cool
features. They and stuck with providing minor updates and drivers and
nothing really cool is coming from there.

The Linux advocates should have a look at OpenSolaris 2008.05

> Despite what you say, i see a rising of Solaris in the next 3-4 years.
> I might even say it will replace Linux in many companies.
> You are right, Solaris is dying.
> But those are all the Solaris 7/8/9 boxes.
> Solaris 10 is rising, it sells more that REDHAT ! And i guess it
> haven't even reached 30% of it's commercial potential.
>
> BTW, i use OpenSolaris on my laptop and home PC.

Me too, since almost 3 years... (although I'm on my WinXP at the moment
to test VirtualBox and OpenSolaris in there)
From: santiago538 on 4 May 2008 19:16
Rich Teer wrote:
> On Fri, 2 May 2008, santiago538(a)yahoo.com wrote:
>
>> BeOS. Most young computer savvy people I know love Linux and despise
>> Sun.
>
> Those people are clearly Linux zealots who have no real idea (and
> don't wnat one) how cool Solaris is.
>

Unfortunately, those Linux zealots are as thick as fleas in the IT
world. Plus, Sun has made some spectacularly bad business decisions in
the past and doesn't seem to learn from its mistakes. And many of their
best and brightest have left for greener pastures in the likes of Google.

IMHO, Sun sure as hell better help Solaris users migrate from SPARC to
x86 in every way it can.
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