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From: Richard Maine on 6 May 2008 01:44
Tim McNamara <timmcn(a)bitstream.net> wrote:

> In article <fvo75n$826$1(a)registered.motzarella.org>,
> Priam <priam(a)nowhere.com> wrote:
[flame bait]
>
> Jeez, you're reduced to picking tiny, tiny nits. Can't you do better?

I have him killfiled, I suggest others do the same. He's clearly not
interested in making constructive comments - just in throwing flame
bait. Giving reasoned responses to such people won't achieve anything.
Kiilfiles will.

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From: Tom Stiller on 6 May 2008 07:13
In article <timmcn-3D1D26.22543005052008(a)news.iphouse.com>,
Tim McNamara <timmcn(a)bitstream.net> wrote:

> In article <fvo75n$826$1(a)registered.motzarella.org>,
> Priam <priam(a)nowhere.com> wrote:
>
> > Jim Gibson a �crit :
> >
> > > I tape the screw to the screwdriver, making sure that the tape
> > > adheres better to the screwdriver than the screw (not hard to do)
> > > and that enough of the screw threads stick out beyond the tape to
> > > start the screw into the hole. Once you have a few turns of the
> > > screw set into the hole, you pull out the screwdriver and remove
> > > the tape.
> >
> > On any non-Jobby PC, you don't have to get a torx, tape the screw,
> > making sure of this and that, you take a plain screwdriver, and drive
> > the screw. That's it, that's all.
> >
> > Screws are a pretty old invention, you know. When Jobby doesn't get
> > in the way, you don't have to think twice before it works.
>
> Jeez, you're reduced to picking tiny, tiny nits. Can't you do better?
> Or are you tacitly admitting the superiority of Apple products by having
> to scrape the bottom of the barrel like this? And my iBook is held
> together with Phillips screws and Allen screws.

I've taken several iBooks apart and never seen an Allen screw. Torx,
yes, Allen, no.

--
Tom Stiller

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From: J.J. O'Shea on 6 May 2008 08:34
On Tue, 6 May 2008 00:42:42 -0400, Jerry Kindall wrote
(in article <050520082142423559%jerrykindall(a)nospam.invalid>):

> In article <fvo75n$826$1(a)registered.motzarella.org>, Priam
> <priam(a)nowhere.com> wrote:
>
>> Jim Gibson a �crit :
>>
>>> I tape the screw to the screwdriver, making sure that the tape adheres
>>> better to the screwdriver than the screw (not hard to do) and that
>>> enough of the screw threads stick out beyond the tape to start the
>>> screw into the hole. Once you have a few turns of the screw set into
>>> the hole, you pull out the screwdriver and remove the tape.
>>
>> On any non-Jobby PC, you don't have to get a torx, tape the screw,
>> making sure of this and that, you take a plain screwdriver, and drive
>> the screw. That's it, that's all.
>>
>> Screws are a pretty old invention, you know. When Jobby doesn't get in
>> the way, you don't have to think twice before it works.
>
> Torx screws are widely used in mass-produced devices. According to
> Wikipedia, Compaq uses a lot of Torx screws. They have real advantages
> for a lot of applications. For one thing, you can get them a lot
> tighter without having to bear down to keep the bit in the screw.
>
> One message board thread I ran across after a quick Google refers to
> Torx screws being used in 1971 and 1972 model-year GM vehicles. Every
> self-respecting tinkerer has had a set for years.
>
> Mine are magnetic, which nicely does away with the tape issue -- though
> personally I find Torx screws fall off the bit a lot less often than
> Philips ones do.
>
>

There you go again, mentioning _facts_ to Yugo/Priam/whatever his name is
this week. He's simply not interested in facts.

Just filter him. Nothing, but _nothing_ you say will ever penetrate the solid
wall of neutronium he has surrounding his single active brain cell.

--
email to oshea dot j dot j at gmail dot com.

From: Jamie Kahn Genet on 7 May 2008 02:56
Priam <priam(a)nowhere.com> wrote:

> Jerry Kindall a �crit :
> > In article <fvo75n$826$1(a)registered.motzarella.org>, Priam
> > <priam(a)nowhere.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Jim Gibson a �crit :
> >>
> >>> I tape the screw to the screwdriver, making sure that the tape adheres
> >>> better to the screwdriver than the screw (not hard to do) and that
> >>> enough of the screw threads stick out beyond the tape to start the
> >>> screw into the hole. Once you have a few turns of the screw set into
> >>> the hole, you pull out the screwdriver and remove the tape.
> >> On any non-Jobby PC, you don't have to get a torx, tape the screw,
> >> making sure of this and that, you take a plain screwdriver, and drive
> >> the screw. That's it, that's all.
> >>
> >> Screws are a pretty old invention, you know. When Jobby doesn't get in
> >> the way, you don't have to think twice before it works.
> >
> > Torx screws are widely used in mass-produced devices. According to
> > Wikipedia, Compaq uses a lot of Torx screws. They have real advantages
> > for a lot of applications. For one thing, you can get them a lot
> > tighter without having to bear down to keep the bit in the screw.
>
> Ever notice the hexagonal form of the plain straight slot screws of an
> ordinary PC. (Give me a break with Compaq and HP: they're pretty much
> the same kind as Jobby.) Well, the hexagonal form will fit exactly in a
> 1/4 socket. Isn't it amazing.
>
> > One message board thread I ran across after a quick Google refers to
> > Torx screws being used in 1971 and 1972 model-year GM vehicles. Every
> > self-respecting tinkerer has had a set for years.
>
> I don't own a car and I never had to use a Torx screwdriver in my life.
> And I'd personnaly not "reach down into a bit of a cavity to get at
> them". Do you really believe Jobby can afford 1/4" more on his screws?

You're really pretty far gone even for a troll. It's like you have an
actual mental disorder instead of just being a loser. You should talk
with your GP. Seriously. This is not healthy behaviour.

Regards,
Jamie Kahn Genet
--
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
From: Priam on 7 May 2008 15:02
J.J. O'Shea a �crit :
> On Tue, 6 May 2008 16:59:34 -0400, Priam wrote
> (in article <fvqh8l$rv6$4(a)registered.motzarella.org>):
>
>> J.J. O'Shea a �crit :
>>> On Tue, 6 May 2008 00:42:42 -0400, Jerry Kindall wrote
>>> (in article <050520082142423559%jerrykindall(a)nospam.invalid>):
>>>
>>>> In article <fvo75n$826$1(a)registered.motzarella.org>, Priam
>>>> <priam(a)nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Jim Gibson a �crit :
>>>>>
>>>>>> I tape the screw to the screwdriver, making sure that the tape adheres
>>>>>> better to the screwdriver than the screw (not hard to do) and that
>>>>>> enough of the screw threads stick out beyond the tape to start the
>>>>>> screw into the hole. Once you have a few turns of the screw set into
>>>>>> the hole, you pull out the screwdriver and remove the tape.
>>>>> On any non-Jobby PC, you don't have to get a torx, tape the screw,
>>>>> making sure of this and that, you take a plain screwdriver, and drive
>>>>> the screw. That's it, that's all.
>>>>>
>>>>> Screws are a pretty old invention, you know. When Jobby doesn't get in
>>>>> the way, you don't have to think twice before it works.
>>>> Torx screws are widely used in mass-produced devices. According to
>>>> Wikipedia, Compaq uses a lot of Torx screws. They have real advantages
>>>> for a lot of applications. For one thing, you can get them a lot
>>>> tighter without having to bear down to keep the bit in the screw.
>>>>
>>>> One message board thread I ran across after a quick Google refers to
>>>> Torx screws being used in 1971 and 1972 model-year GM vehicles. Every
>>>> self-respecting tinkerer has had a set for years.
>>>>
>>>> Mine are magnetic, which nicely does away with the tape issue -- though
>>>> personally I find Torx screws fall off the bit a lot less often than
>>>> Philips ones do.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> There you go again, mentioning _facts_ to Yugo/Priam/whatever his name is
>>> this week. He's simply not interested in facts.
>> I wonder who's not interested in simple facts here. Two weeks ago, I
>> posted "Have you heard about the FrankenMac?"(1). Rob Griffiths of
>> Macworld.com explains how he built the equivalent of a Mac Pro for half
>> the price. MacWorld, you know. It's not a PC advocate speaking.
>
> I rarely read your posts. I read this one because you replied to me.
> Otherwise, I'd have ignored it the way that I usually do.
>
>> (1)
>>
> <http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.system/browse_thread/thread/c074f
>
>> 3770abb8c1c/c8653a31adf6c19d?lnk=st&q=#c8653a31adf6c19d>
>>
>> I never got a single answer to this post, not even from 3D Steiner
>> (that's for Double Decker Diaper Steiner). Isn't it amazing since
>> everbody seems to be looking for a Mac in a price range in-between the
>> Mini and the Pro, and the one Griffiths built is much more powerful than
>> what anybody here expected.
>
> Mr. Griffiths said that it was fun to build his Frankenmac. He also said that
> it wasn't worth the effort. I agree. It's not worth the effort. He said, and
> I quote:

You just don't quote the right part. He does explain that most of the
work was getting OS X to work. Since it's far from sure that upgrades
will be possible, 20 hours does seem like a lot of time.

My suggestion was tp install Linux on a non-Mac PC. You don't have to
run around for parts, assemble the PC and installing Mandriva won't take
more than an hour.

Of course, we all know that everybody here is a great $200/hour artist
who couldn't do with The GIMP and Cinelerra instead of Photoshop and
Final Cut. I'm certainly very grateful for some of them spending the
equivalent of $5000 a week on this newsgroup but, of course I'm only
speaking for the 2 guys in the whole world who use Macs and are not such
great artists.

But whatever you think about Linux, the question that remains after
reading this article is this. If you can buy parts at retails stores and
put together the equivalent of a Mac Pro for half the price, how come
Jobby has to ask twice the price when he buys all components at, not
wholesale, but manufacture prices? Maybe you believe he has more trouble
than Griffiths getting OS X to work on a Mac? Of course, another
possibility would be he's screwing you...
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