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From: dorayme on 27 Jul 2010 20:14
In article
<1e45de82-7cf9-48a1-8460-32f4d4f53745(a)i31g2000yqm.googlegroups.co
m>,
ChrisW <c.c.wood(a)gmail.com> wrote:

> ... I *do* want the
> behaviour shown in the image Chris has posted,

But not this behaviour (same URL) surely:

<http://dorayme.netweaver.com.au/justPics/notpromising.png>

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dorayme
From: Swifty on 28 Jul 2010 02:48
On 28 Jul 2010 00:15:37 GMT, "Chris F.A. Johnson"
<cfajohnson(a)gmail.com> wrote:

>Why not write valid code from the start?

Because, on the route to valid code, for most people the "works well
enough" stage is reached before halfway, and that is where we stop.

It is like the difference between the English that one uses in
everyday situations and grammatically correct English (for English
speakers, at least).

If you use grammatically correct English all the time, then you are
easily identified as a pedant, or one of Lynn Truss' "sticklers".

Spelling and grammatical errors above where caused almost entirely by
my keyboard and my fingers, with little influence either from me, or
my brain.

--
Steve Swift
http://www.swiftys.org.uk/swifty.html
http://www.ringers.org.uk
From: dorayme on 28 Jul 2010 03:55
In article <88kv46tpi5nd9pr5ici401guj9sk90qm09(a)4ax.com>,
Swifty <steve.j.swift(a)gmail.com> wrote:

> On 28 Jul 2010 00:15:37 GMT, "Chris F.A. Johnson"
> <cfajohnson(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >Why not write valid code from the start?
>
> Because, on the route to valid code, for most people the "works well
> enough" stage is reached before halfway, and that is where we stop.
>
> It is like the difference between the English that one uses in
> everyday situations and grammatically correct English (for English
> speakers, at least).
>
> If you use grammatically correct English all the time, then you are
> easily identified as a pedant, or one of Lynn Truss' "sticklers".
>
> Spelling and grammatical errors above where caused almost entirely by
> my keyboard and my fingers, with little influence either from me, or
> my brain.

Maybe valid code is a bit too much to ask for but surely not
something that looks a bit more likely?

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dorayme
From: Jeff Thies on 28 Jul 2010 10:48
dorayme wrote:
> In article <88kv46tpi5nd9pr5ici401guj9sk90qm09(a)4ax.com>,
> Swifty <steve.j.swift(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 28 Jul 2010 00:15:37 GMT, "Chris F.A. Johnson"
>> <cfajohnson(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Why not write valid code from the start?
>> Because, on the route to valid code, for most people the "works well
>> enough" stage is reached before halfway, and that is where we stop.
>>
>> It is like the difference between the English that one uses in
>> everyday situations and grammatically correct English (for English
>> speakers, at least).
>>
>> If you use grammatically correct English all the time, then you are
>> easily identified as a pedant, or one of Lynn Truss' "sticklers".
>>
>> Spelling and grammatical errors above where caused almost entirely by
>> my keyboard and my fingers, with little influence either from me, or
>> my brain.
>
> Maybe valid code is a bit too much to ask for but surely not
> something that looks a bit more likely?
>
I agree.

However, if you are writing a template there is little reason today
to have to adjust to browser quirks. What little remains will have to
wait until IE6 and IE7 die.

There is a good bit of cluelessness. And it cuts both ways. Just a
day ago I was trying to adjust a tableless 4 column table built out of
two sets of floated divs.

As far as content, where trained monkeys are copying and pasting, my
standards sink to throwing out the truly awful.

Jeff
From: Chris F.A. Johnson on 28 Jul 2010 17:15
On 2010-07-28, Swifty wrote:
> On 28 Jul 2010 00:15:37 GMT, "Chris F.A. Johnson"
><cfajohnson(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Why not write valid code from the start?
>
> Because, on the route to valid code, for most people the "works well
> enough" stage is reached before halfway, and that is where we stop.

Why do you need a "route to valid code"? WQhy not write valid code
from the start? It's hardly rocket science.

> It is like the difference between the English that one uses in
> everyday situations and grammatically correct English (for English
> speakers, at least).

There is no analogous situation in a web page. (Well, perhaps
quirks mode, but who wants that?)

> If you use grammatically correct English all the time, then you are
> easily identified as a pedant, or one of Lynn Truss' "sticklers".

"Pedant is a term used to describe those who value accuracy by those
who don't"

--
Chris F.A. Johnson
<http://torontowebdesign.cfaj.ca>
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