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From: Amir on 5 May 2008 01:15
Hi everyone and Embedded gurus,
I live and work in the US. I've never gotten a job in the Embedded
field, and only my final year project 10 years ago was in the embedded
field. Also for a couple of years I've been a doing thats out of field
(web design). My resume thus doesn't look at all for applying for any
Embedded job.
Does anyone know what I can do to get my foot in the door? I would do
personal projects to get experience but no one does those unless they
aren't being pushed by a teaching authority.

Are there any good recognized places in the US where I can get a
certification in the Embedded field? These would tell the recruiters
that I know the field and am up to date and that I know what they want
me to know.

thanks a lot
Amir
From: Chris H on 6 May 2008 15:05
In message
<c7a78d68-0c9b-43c4-90f0-44123b1ffa25(a)w7g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>, Amir
<ushakil(a)gmail.com> writes
>Hi everyone and Embedded gurus,
>I live and work in the US. I've never gotten a job in the Embedded
>field, and only my final year project 10 years ago was in the embedded
>field. Also for a couple of years I've been a doing thats out of field
>(web design). My resume thus doesn't look at all for applying for any
>Embedded job.
>Does anyone know what I can do to get my foot in the door? I would do
>personal projects to get experience but no one does those unless they
>aren't being pushed by a teaching authority.

Don't go into embedded work. It is as simple as that.

Unless you are enthusiastic about the subject there is no point. There
are already plenty of embedded engineers out there with experience and
an interest in the subject.

If you don't enjoy web programming any more and have no internal "push"
to do embedded it is the wrong career choice. If you were that
interested you would have been doing your own projects for "fun" and
asking questions as to why things were not working.

Find a different career



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From: linnix on 6 May 2008 15:37

> Don't go into embedded work. It is as simple as that.

Don't go into embedded work for the money. Unless you are much better
than the Chinese Engineers making $10,000 or less a year.

From: Tim Wescott on 5 May 2008 12:36
On Sun, 04 May 2008 22:15:56 -0700, Amir wrote:

> Hi everyone and Embedded gurus,
> I live and work in the US. I've never gotten a job in the Embedded
> field, and only my final year project 10 years ago was in the embedded
> field. Also for a couple of years I've been a doing thats out of field
> (web design). My resume thus doesn't look at all for applying for any
> Embedded job.
> Does anyone know what I can do to get my foot in the door? I would do
> personal projects to get experience but no one does those unless they
> aren't being pushed by a teaching authority.
>
> Are there any good recognized places in the US where I can get a
> certification in the Embedded field? These would tell the recruiters
> that I know the field and am up to date and that I know what they want
> me to know.
>
> thanks a lot
> Amir

There's not really "certification" for embedded work -- one does it, or
one doesn't.

Get yourself a copy of "what color is your parachute". Some of it is
pretty dorky, but it has good advise in there.

You don't want to talk to recruiters. You want to talk to hiring
managers. You probably want to go to a smaller company (they're more
flexible), and accept an entry-level job until you prove yourself.
Finding who the local sweatshop is and working there for a couple of
years to gain experience may be a good idea -- the sweatshops don't pay
much, and they're grim to work for, but because of this they always have
turnover, even in the bad times. Once you have a year or two of that on
your resume, go looking for real.

--
Tim Wescott
Control systems and communications consulting
http://www.wescottdesign.com

Need to learn how to apply control theory in your embedded system?
"Applied Control Theory for Embedded Systems" by Tim Wescott
Elsevier/Newnes, http://www.wescottdesign.com/actfes/actfes.html
From: Tomás Ó hÉilidhe on 5 May 2008 15:02
On May 5, 5:36 pm, Tim Wescott <t...(a)seemywebsite.com> wrote:

> Finding who the local sweatshop is and working there for a couple of
> years to gain experience may be a good idea -- the sweatshops don't pay
> much, and they're grim to work for, but because of this they always have
> turnover, even in the bad times.  Once you have a year or two of that on
> your resume, go looking for real.


I'm only 21 years of age and even *I* wouldn't go spend a year or two
in a place like that. Working in a "sweatshop" type of place will
probably have more of a detrimental effect on your character and
spirit than it will a positive effect on your future employment
prospects. I worked a desk job for a year and it turned me into a
boring f*ck that rarely laughed. It was like rehabilitation when I got
out of the place, I laughed more in one day than I did in a week.
Jobs, employment isn't everything.

If I was looking to get somewhere in embedded systems, (and I am, but
I'm gonna enjoy myself in Thailand for a few years first), I'd work on
hobby projects and get better and better. Then when it comes to the
interviews, I'd just wow them with what I can do. I'm in my third year
of college, I'll be getting a Bachelor's Degree in Electronic
Engineering after my exams which start in about a week's time. A
friend of mine, however, dropped out only a month or so ago, and he's
already getting 30,000 Euro a year (that's equal to about 46,500 US
dollars, but I don't know what the story is on cost of living in the
US). They were looking for someone who had a degree but instead he
went into the interview and just wowed them.

The people who stand out are:
1) Intelligent, inventive, able.
2) Really enjoy what they're doing.

I think the greatest sign of success is whether you'll stay up til 4
in the morning working on your own little hobby project, without the
thought that you "need to get it done for college" or that you need to
do your job for money.
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