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From: Chris Hills on 19 Sep 2005 07:44
Hi,

MISRA has just started a MISRA-C++ to compliment their MISRA-C guide.
There looking for people to participate.

The drafting will be done in a series of monthly meetings at MISRA
(Nuneaton, UK) but they also need reviewers to look at the draft.

Anyone interested should ideally have a background in high integrity C++
in automotive, aerospace, medical or industrial control areas. This is,
as with all standards, "free" work. Ie you don't get paid but you do
get... well nothing really apart from the warm feeling of satisfaction
of knowing you made a difference and your name in the acknowledgements.

If you are interested email Chris Tapp the Chairman at chariman(a)misra-
cpp.com


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From: Allan W on 20 Sep 2005 05:34
Chris Hills wrote:
> MISRA has just started a MISRA-C++ to compliment their MISRA-C guide.
> There looking for people to participate.

You might get better response if you tell us what MISRA is, why they
have created MISRA-C, and what the goals for MISRA-C++ will be.

Good luck.


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From: Francis Glassborow on 20 Sep 2005 09:54
In article <1127174202.792799.293500(a)g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
Allan W <allan_w(a)my-dejanews.com> writes
>Chris Hills wrote:
>> MISRA has just started a MISRA-C++ to compliment their MISRA-C guide.
>> There looking for people to participate.
>
>You might get better response if you tell us what MISRA is, why they
>have created MISRA-C, and what the goals for MISRA-C++ will be.

I would not bother too much. The editor of the Performance TR who
probably understands more about C++ in this context than almost anyone
else (yes there are a few who likely know more) volunteered and the
response she got seemed to be 'Not interested in any input you might
have. We already have plenty of C++ expertise, thank you.'



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From: Chris Hills on 21 Sep 2005 08:49
In article <hIxXMDDHd+LDFwr9(a)robinton.demon.co.uk>, Francis Glassborow
<francis(a)robinton.demon.co.uk> writes
>In article <1127174202.792799.293500(a)g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
>Allan W <allan_w(a)my-dejanews.com> writes
>>Chris Hills wrote:
>>> MISRA has just started a MISRA-C++ to compliment their MISRA-C
guide.
>>> There looking for people to participate.
>>
>>You might get better response if you tell us what MISRA is, why they
>>have created MISRA-C, and what the goals for MISRA-C++ will be.

Hi
MISRA-C is the most widely used C programming guide on the planet.
Originally designed for the UK automotive industry it is now in use
world wide by all the worlds automotive manufacturers and many
aerospace, medical companies and in many other safety critical systems.


Because of the success and acclaim for MISRA-C (everywhere except for
some ISO-C people) MISRA was approached from several directions
including automotive and aerospace to do a C++ version.

see www.misra.org.uk and www.mira.org.uk

>I would not bother too much. The editor of the Performance TR who
>probably understands more about C++ in this context than almost anyone

You mean they have experience of actually doing Automotive, aerospace,
medical work to SIl4?


>else (yes there are a few who likely know more) volunteered and the
>response she got seemed to be 'Not interested in any input you might
>have. We already have plenty of C++ expertise, thank you.'

The requirement for panel members is:-

"Anyone interested should ideally have a background in high integrity
C++ in automotive, aerospace, medical or industrial control areas."

AFAIK the person from the C++ panel who refer to does not have the
required industrial experience.

There are standards experts from WG21 who are on the MISRA-C++ panel but
then they do have the experience required. There are also C++ tool and
compiler makers involved (some are also WG21 members) Another UK WG21
member with more C++ experience than the person I think you are
commenting on asked to be a reviewer as they did not think they had
enough experience for the actual drafting.

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From: Anthony Williams on 22 Sep 2005 04:58
Chris Hills <chris(a)phaedsys.org> writes:

> The requirement for panel members is:-
>
> "Anyone interested should ideally have a background in high integrity
> C++ in automotive, aerospace, medical or industrial control areas."

Note "ideally". I take that to mean that people without such a background are
also considered, if they have other relevant knowledge/experience (we don't
live in an ideal world, after all).

If that is not the case, then the request should be more explicit.

In fact, I would have thought that though it was important to have people with
that background as part of the committee, to ensure that the needs of that
community were being met, it was also important to have C++ experts regardless
of background. Such experts would help to identify what could and couldn't be
done by compilers, and what the true consequences of various language features
would be, to ensure that the needs of the industry were met, whilst avoiding
draconian or incorrect guidelines.

Then again, my opinion doesn't count, as I've never written a SIL4 system
(though I have written code for aerospace systems, industrial control system,
and non-critical monitoring of power stations (including nuclear ones)).

Anthony
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