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From: The NewGuy on 6 May 2008 20:25
> > I never saw the beginning of this post but hopefully you're aware that
> > the Opera browser rules when it comes to zooming graphics. Its the only
> > browser I know of that zooms the entire page uniformly so you don't have
> > that nasty "spilling over the edges" thing happening when text gets too
> > big for its table. You see the page as the web designer laid it out.
> > Its the only way that makes sense. http://opera.com And if you have a
> > multi-button mouse that is programmable, use the features in Opera to
> > make it much better. And the keyboard shortcuts! Press one key to go
> > the next tab, another to go the previous tab. So many ways of making it
> > just right for you.
>
> OK, a user's best chance with a badly designed webpage is that they have
> Opera! Because Opera, by this zooming, will hide the poor practice of
> text spilling out of its elements (btw, a rare thing with a table cell
> because cells are "shrink and grow to fit"... but you could have picked
> a better element where what you say is truer).
>
> You seem unaware of the fundamental problem, but your prescription to
> alleviate the symptoms is undoubtedly good. <g>

Well I find that most websites are badly designed I guess. But if you
use Opera there is no text spilling anywhere. The problem just never
exists. For some of us with poorer vision who like large fonts, the
ability to zoom uniformly with Opera is just like a gift from the
Heavens. What I can't understand is why other browsers can't master
this wonderful feature? Most websites I open in Firefox are all
scrunched to the left side of my 1680 x 1050 monitor. Once I upgrade to
a 1920 x 1200 that problem will be even worse, and when I get a 30" even
worse still! I buy a larger monitor to have more space - not to have
everything scrunched in a corner. And often in microscopic font I might
add.
From: The NewGuy on 6 May 2008 13:11
I never saw the beginning of this post but hopefully you're aware that
the Opera browser rules when it comes to zooming graphics. Its the only
browser I know of that zooms the entire page uniformly so you don't have
that nasty "spilling over the edges" thing happening when text gets too
big for its table. You see the page as the web designer laid it out.
Its the only way that makes sense. http://opera.com And if you have a
multi-button mouse that is programmable, use the features in Opera to
make it much better. And the keyboard shortcuts! Press one key to go
the next tab, another to go the previous tab. So many ways of making it
just right for you.
From: dorayme on 5 May 2008 20:59
In article <slrng1ufgr.15qa.g.kreme(a)cerebus.local>,
Lewis <g.kreme(a)gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

> In message <doraymeRidThis-0B1751.13012903052008(a)news-vip.optusnet.com.au>
> dorayme <doraymeRidThis(a)optusnet.com.au> wrote:
> > what would dialup users or slow broadband think?).
>
> Sorry, but I stopped worrying about dialup users 6 years ago when the last
> person in my family finally got ADSL. I hear there are still people on
> dialup, but I could not prove it.

Why did you ever worry about dialup? Do you make websites only for your
family?

>
> > The advantage is bandwidth and clarity, especially bandwidth. No one
> > wants to download a 2592 px wide pic if they are only interested in
> > seeing it at 400px.
>
> But they take the same amount of time (that is, 'none') to download! :)

This is not true for many people (not you or your family who maybe have
superfast), even on what is broadly known as broadband. And it is
demonstrably false when you take into account a set of pictures.

--
dorayme
From: dorayme on 6 May 2008 18:27
In article
<lybanon-F1749C.08100006052008(a)earthlink.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net>,
Matthew Lybanon <lybanon(a)earthlink.net> wrote:

> In article
> <doraymeRidThis-A7CA7F.10592106052008(a)news-vip.optusnet.com.au>,
> dorayme <doraymeRidThis(a)optusnet.com.au> wrote:
>
> > In article <slrng1ufgr.15qa.g.kreme(a)cerebus.local>,
> > Lewis <g.kreme(a)gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> >
> > > In message
> > > <doraymeRidThis-0B1751.13012903052008(a)news-vip.optusnet.com.au>
> > > dorayme <doraymeRidThis(a)optusnet.com.au> wrote:
> > > > what would dialup users or slow broadband think?).
> > >
> > > Sorry, but I stopped worrying about dialup users 6 years ago when the
> > > last
> > > person in my family finally got ADSL. I hear there are still people on
> > > dialup, but I could not prove it.
> >
> > Why did you ever worry about dialup? Do you make websites only for your
> > family?
> >
> > >
> > > > The advantage is bandwidth and clarity, especially bandwidth. No one
> > > > wants to download a 2592 px wide pic if they are only interested in
> > > > seeing it at 400px.
> > >
> > > But they take the same amount of time (that is, 'none') to download! :)
> >
> > This is not true for many people (not you or your family who maybe have
> > superfast), even on what is broadly known as broadband. And it is
> > demonstrably false when you take into account a set of pictures.
>
> Very true. And from another point of view, a channel only has so much
> capacity (bits/second). It may be very high, but it is finite. People
> who waste bandwidth slow the internet down for everybody.

Well said, I refrained from making this point so as not to sound too
moral and goody goody... my enemies would take it as me going soft and
gather to launch an attack. But you are quite right!

--
dorayme
From: dorayme on 6 May 2008 18:28
In article <noemailhere-EE0966.12111306052008(a)news.mts.net>,
The NewGuy <noemailhere(a)please.comm> wrote:

> I never saw the beginning of this post but hopefully you're aware that
> the Opera browser rules when it comes to zooming graphics. Its the only
> browser I know of that zooms the entire page uniformly so you don't have
> that nasty "spilling over the edges" thing happening when text gets too
> big for its table. You see the page as the web designer laid it out.
> Its the only way that makes sense. http://opera.com And if you have a
> multi-button mouse that is programmable, use the features in Opera to
> make it much better. And the keyboard shortcuts! Press one key to go
> the next tab, another to go the previous tab. So many ways of making it
> just right for you.

OK, a user's best chance with a badly designed webpage is that they have
Opera! Because Opera, by this zooming, will hide the poor practice of
text spilling out of its elements (btw, a rare thing with a table cell
because cells are "shrink and grow to fit"... but you could have picked
a better element where what you say is truer).

You seem unaware of the fundamental problem, but your prescription to
alleviate the symptoms is undoubtedly good. <g>

--
dorayme
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