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From: GT on 16 Nov 2007 08:57

>
> And your reason for including all the above in a reply to
> my post is .... ?
That it followed the rest and I felt it more useful for my arguments to
be in a continuous flow since you guys are all reading the thread.
I hope this is not going to get us into a "this is my thread, not yours"
argument, now.

>>
>>
>>> In review, I still suspect Mandriva will do what you say
>>> you want. However, I am not sure that Linux is the proper
>>> OS for you.
>>
>> How do you *know* that for a fact?
>
> Please not use of the word "suspect" in my first sentence. Linux in
> general and Mandriva specifically is very capable these days, and
> likely can do most things someone considering Linux would want. I
> am aware some users are having problems with tv cards, and proprietary
> software may contain wrinkles not yet reverse engineered (or that
> cannot legally be incorporated in open source software), so there are a
> few things Mandriva will not do. Hence, use of the word "suspect."

RIGHT, you mean notE. Ok

> FWIW, "suspect" and "know" are not synonyms.

I suspect I know this, but thank you for pointing it out.
(slight humour, no offence)

Ok, here's what I meant : how do you *know* you can suspect Mandriva
will do what I say I want? How do you *know* that you can be sure or not
that linux is the proper OS for me?

>
> I "know" that I am not sure that Linux is the proper OS for you simply
> because I "know" what I am not sure about in this specific context.
>

Wow, this is getting philosophical.
A lot can be said about the pros and cons of all OSs.
I feel very confortable with linux, but I do feel that some things could
be made easier, that's all. And it is not wishing that extra care be
put in making linux be more userfriendly that makes me "unsuitable for it".
I believe the first thing an OS, which is the interface between a
machine and a human, should be is user friendly. The second is efficient.
Why in that order? Because if it is not userfriendly the user cannot
make it work properly and it therefore cannot be efficient.
Note that "friendly" can be thought of as "ergonomic".
So, what is wrong with wanting friendliness out of linux ?
What is wrong in not wanting to spend hours or days in setups? And God
knows I have spent my share of time in installing numerous Windows and
linuxes. Some like messing with fstabs and uids and masks and dhcps and
winmodems, I find it very boring : I want to use the system to work.
This does NOT mean I am not interested in knowing how it works. If that
were the case I would NOT know how it works, and how it works, if you
wish to go down to the nitty-gritty is like setting up printers by
nudging the bits on the processors you had to open up with a screwdriver
back in 1982.
So, I want linux for various reasons, and I can't stand windows for
various reasons. But windows has very (few) nice things too.

>> Oh, and BTW : it works because if it did not it would not be here.
>>
> What is the "it" that works? And why should I believe that
> "being here" is functionally synonymous with "works."

It= OS= linux in this case but this sentence can be understood at a
higher level. It's also known as the Anthropic Principle.
And believing that "being" there is synonymous with "works" is due to
the fact that is an OS does not work, people are not going to use it and
hence it is not going to be around for long. Hence it won't be there
soon. Hence "being there", in that particular case = "works."

>> Cheers.
>
> Used as a greeting, a farewell, or an interjection,
> "Cheers!" requires an exclamation point, as a matter
> of customary usage.
>
> No cheers. Which, written in sadness, requires no
> exclamation mark.
>
> "plonk"
>
> jim beard

Unbelievable. Words fail.

>
>
From: Bit Twister on 16 Nov 2007 11:00
On Fri, 16 Nov 2007 14:57:06 +0100, GT wrote:

Well, shuckey dern, and here I thought END in the Subject was just
your swan song, and just wanted to say how you felt and wanted to part
friends with the group.

Looks like you want to augue some more.

> That it followed the rest and I felt it more useful for my arguments to
> be in a continuous flow since you guys are all reading the thread.

So the subject is not the END and you wish to continue arguments, I guess?
There was no good reason to start a new thread with a misleading subject.

You could have just posted the original thread.

> I hope this is not going to get us into a "this is my thread, not yours"
> argument, now.

Looking like more flame bait.

I'll bite, What do mean by that statement?


> Ok, here's what I meant : how do you *know* you can suspect Mandriva
> will do what I say I want? How do you *know* that you can be sure or not
> that linux is the proper OS for me?

Throwing out more flame bait I see. Why, you ask;

Your origional post has

"Small but all important question : I feel mandriva seems the best
solution for my needs. "

Q3 : This is for pro use, so getting this distro is a pretty serious matter.


More than a few times for "your pro use".
I pointed that out in that thread, and what did you respond with in
this thread:

"Fortran dev, and printing, and latex. That's pretty much it.
Where does that come into play?

You asked "for pro use"

We have to know your usage requirements for use to make a better guess
if Mandriva is for you.

> And being pro or personal, where does THAT come into play ?"

Pro, we would need to know activity like video/animation/cad production,
If work, Mandriva may not be meet requirements.

Personal, gaming to mention just one activity. Mandriva 2008 driver is
not as robust as it is on Mandriava 2007.1

Other activities may allow you to just get by for personal use, and a
show stopper for work.

Hell, Mandriva may not even run on your hardware and I wonder if you
want to have it at work and at home.
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