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From: foo on 14 Nov 2007 08:00
foo wrote:
>
> Fair enough roo

That should be "Rob" and not "roo" of course, sorry about that.
From: Rob on 14 Nov 2007 09:40
foo wrote:

> foo wrote:
>>
>> Fair enough roo
>
> That should be "Rob" and not "roo" of course, sorry about that.

Given that I come from "down under" maybe 'roo' fits as well - maybe it'll
give me the extra bounce that I seem to be missing sometimes these
days! :-/

Really, no probs, mate... [ just trying to live up to our national image by
talking dinkum strine. I wonder whether 'Little Johnnie' would approve? ]

Rob.
From: Jim Beard on 14 Nov 2007 10:15
GT wrote:
> Small but all important question : I feel mandriva seems the best
> solution for my needs. However the biggest problem for me is the
> hardware recognition. There's always a problem.
> So, I understand recompiling the kernel is the solution for all hardware
> to be recognised to work properly.
>
> Q1 : Is this true?
> Q2 : How does one recompile the kernel?
> Q3 : This is for pro use, so getting this distro is a pretty serious
> matter.
>
> For instance I use a HP colour laserjet 2605dn which is not supported by
> any version of linux. Kernel compilation fixes this ?
>
> I thank you all.

GT,

Petty point first: Get rid of the V-card rubbish when posting
to a USENET Linux group or you will see no further reply from me.

First significant point: "hardware recognition. There's always
a problem" tells us absolutely nothing useful. Specify what
hardware you have, and what is not getting recognized. Adding
in what you have done that might enable/disable/affect this
would be useful.

Recompiling the kernel is not the solution. Unless you are
prepared to review and set maybe a hundred or so variables that
will determine how your kernel will be tailored, you should not
attempt it. Fortunately, it is almost never needed these days,
though you _may_ need to compile a package of drivers for
video, wireless, or other purpose. This is normally fairly
easy, and instructions for Mandriva are usually available on
forum alt.os.linux.mandriva (where this really should be posted;
this forum is obsolete) or in other documentation. Getting
tv cards to work seems to giving some problems, but that is
about all I can think of at the moment that should deter you
from trying Linux for your (undefined) purpose.

HP works with Linux developers to provide drivers for
its products, so most HP devices are (or soon will be)
supported by Linux. But you may need to get the software
package you need from HP's download website. The provider
of your distribution may or may not provide a tailored
version of the software package. If not, go to HP.
Do note that not all features will work for some devices.

Finally, if you do install Mandriva or some other version
of Linux, add it to your system rather than remove your
Micro$loth Winblows OS. With a dual-boot machine, if
Linux does not do what you want, you can boot back into
Winblows, delete the Linux hard drive partitions and reformat
them for Winblows, and use the Winblows utility to restore
your MBR. Nothing lost except your time experimenting.

If you wish to be paranoid about reversion to WinBlows,
add a hard disk to your system and install Linux on it.
If it does not work, reformat the Linux hard disk in its
entirety, fix your MBR using the WinBlows utility, and
proceed onward.

jim b.


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From: GT on 14 Nov 2007 12:07
Hi,
First things first.
The following is not for this post only, but "takes care" of the
preceeding posts as well.
As far as being rude is concerned, I would be wasting my time
talking about it. You obviously know everything ahead of time and
entering a p*ssing contest, I have no time for.

This said I find that linux-based ngs are by far the rudest. Some ngs
are plain stupid, but answers which basically call the writer an idiot
without letting on what KIND of info is required are not really
helping the requester help by supplying the right kind of info.

Anyway, concerning the compilation of kernel.
YES I have been told, several times and by different people that doing
that with everything attached gets linux to accept the surrounding hardware.
No need to call rubbish. True or false that is what I was told.

Now, I am not a newbie, by quite a few years but it's not because I have
a driving licence that I can build an engine, nor might I wish to.
I have gone into kernel stuff, and it is definitely not something I wish
to get into without some serious assurance first.
Google / ng provide that, to some extent.
If you are kind enough to let me know what is required to get the info,
fine. If you are not for whatever reason, let it be, no insults,
implicit or explicit, and go take a shower and cool down.

> Petty point first: Get rid of the V-card rubbish when posting
> to a USENET Linux group or you will see no further reply from me.

No need for the tone. All you need is ask. I thought it had been done
previously and since I cannot see if it does it or not until the post
gets posted , there you go.


>
> First significant point: "hardware recognition. There's always
> a problem" tells us absolutely nothing useful. Specify what
> hardware you have, and what is not getting recognized. Adding
> in what you have done that might enable/disable/affect this
> would be useful.

I have : I use the printer HP color laserjet 2605dn at work, I do not
see it on the HP site, nor linux drivers.
Mandriva does not have a list either (being prepared, so they say)
So, question, is there any way I can know whether they'll talk to each
other?
More info than this : please be more specific.
Remember :

"I feel mandriva seems the best solution for my needs."

means I have not acquired yet.

>
> Finally, if you do install Mandriva or some other version
> of Linux, add it to your system rather than remove your
> Micro$loth Winblows OS. With a dual-boot machine, if
> Linux does not do what you want, you can boot back into
> Winblows, delete the Linux hard drive partitions and reformat
> them for Winblows, and use the Winblows utility to restore
> your MBR. Nothing lost except your time experimenting.

I have been using dual boots for years. I use windows for multimedia and
linux for work mainly.
But thank you for thinking about it.

So, I hope I have been clearer. If you feel I need more abuse, do
yourself, and me, a favour and go to the next msg.

Thanks.

Normally no vcard should follow.
G

>
> jim b.
>
>
From: Wes Newell on 14 Nov 2007 13:40
On Wed, 14 Nov 2007 18:07:22 +0100, GT wrote:

> Anyway, concerning the compilation of kernel. YES I have been told,
> several times and by different people that doing that with everything
> attached gets linux to accept the surrounding hardware. No need to call
> rubbish. True or false that is what I was told.
>
As stated, it's completely false. More than likely you misunderstood what
was said. The kernel source has support for a multitude of hardware but
not all of it is turned on for any distro i know of because some of the
hardware is in rare use. If you have some of this hardware, then you can
compile the kernel and get it working. But you have to configure it
first. Most times it already compiled in as a module that just isn't
loaded during boot. If that's the case, you just need to load it in the
init scripts some place. However, printer drivers are usually configured
by cups configuration. If there isn't a driver for your printer in the
driver database, you'll need to add it.

> I have : I use the printer HP color laserjet 2605dn at work, I do not
> see it on the HP site, nor linux drivers. Mandriva does not have a list
> either (being prepared, so they say) So, question, is there any way I
> can know whether they'll talk to each other?

This site is far from complete, but it list a lot of printers and is a
place to start. and here's your printer.

http://www.linuxprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=HP-Color_LaserJet_2605

HP Color LaserJet 2605
Color laser printer, max. 600x600 dpi, works Perfectly
Recommended driver: Postscript (Home page, custom PPD)
Generic instructions for: CUPS, LPD, LPRng, PPR, PDQ, no spooler

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