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From: Dan Espen on 14 Nov 2007 14:13
GT <g.thibaudeau(a)bipm.org> writes:

> Hi,
> This said I find that linux-based ngs are by far the rudest. Some ngs
> are plain stupid, but answers which basically call the writer an idiot
> without letting on what KIND of info is required are not really
> helping the requester help by supplying the right kind of info.

Funny, I read a lot of NGs and I disagree.

> Anyway, concerning the compilation of kernel.
> YES I have been told, several times and by different people that doing
> that with everything attached gets linux to accept the surrounding
> hardware.
> No need to call rubbish. True or false that is what I was told.

Since kernel compilation does _nothing_ as far as hardware recognition
it's hard to say whether you were talking to the sadly misinformed or
whether you misunderstood.

> Now, I am not a newbie, by quite a few years but it's not because I
> have a driving licence that I can build an engine, nor might I wish to.
> I have gone into kernel stuff, and it is definitely not something I wish
> to get into without some serious assurance first.
> Google / ng provide that, to some extent.

Huh?

Maybe the way you post led to some misunderstandings.

>> First significant point: "hardware recognition. There's always
>> a problem" tells us absolutely nothing useful. Specify what
>> hardware you have, and what is not getting recognized. Adding
>> in what you have done that might enable/disable/affect this
>> would be useful.
>
> I have : I use the printer HP color laserjet 2605dn at work, I do not
> see it on the HP site, nor linux drivers.
> Mandriva does not have a list either (being prepared, so they say)
> So, question, is there any way I can know whether they'll talk to each
> other?
> More info than this : please be more specific.
> Remember :
>
> "I feel mandriva seems the best solution for my needs."
> means I have not acquired yet.

I don't think the quote leads to that conclusion.
I certainly didn't read it that way.
Nor did you mention you are basing your incorrect conclusion
on the Mandriva compatibility list.

A general Google search would be more informative.

Best advice is to go ahead and do an install.
From: Unruh on 14 Nov 2007 17:18
GT <g.thibaudeau(a)bipm.org> writes:

>This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
>--------------070502050109010802060805
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

>Hi all,
>Small but all important question : I feel mandriva seems the best
>solution for my needs. However the biggest problem for me is the
>hardware recognition. There's always a problem.
>So, I understand recompiling the kernel is the solution for all hardware
>to be recognised to work properly.

>Q1 : Is this true?

NO.


>Q2 : How does one recompile the kernel?

Don't

>Q3 : This is for pro use, so getting this distro is a pretty serious matter.

>For instance I use a HP colour laserjet 2605dn which is not supported by
>any version of linux. Kernel compilation fixes this ?

NONONONONONONO.
It is a network printer which understands postscript. Just use printerdrake
to tell it where the printer is HP tends to like to use
socket://111.222.333.444:9100
where 111.222.333.444 is replaced by the ip address of your printer.
That's it.

CErtainly NO recompilation of the kernel.

Yee gads. Someone has a lot to answer for for this stupid "kernel
recompilation" advice. It is virtually NEVER necessary to recompile the
kernel. It almost always causes far far more problems than it solves.


From: Unruh on 14 Nov 2007 17:22
GT <g.thibaudeau(a)bipm.org> writes:

>This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
>--------------020406060705000006040004
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

>foo a �crit :
>> GT wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>> Small but all important question : I feel mandriva seems the best
>>> solution for my needs. However the biggest problem for me is the
>>> hardware recognition. There's always a problem.
>>
>> Name the problem, or I call bullshit.
>well, I install Linux, the hardware driver of whatever is not present.
>Example : get the screen to fit the "flat" panoramic screens.

If you told us what it was you have help might be forthcoming. ""flat"
panoramic screens" means nothing to me.


>>> Q2 : How does one recompile the kernel?
>>
>> Several ways to do it, if you need to ask, you wouldn't understand
>> and you haven't bothered to do any research.*

>Well if I know about recompiling the kernel I have probably looked into
>it already, seen that it is a pretty major step, evaluated the
>consequences and decided to get as much help/advice as possible before
>crashing the machine.
>If I did not need to ask, I wouldn't.

Do not worry about thekernel. Put a tick mark against the person who gave
you that advice as a useless advisor who has not clue.



From: Unruh on 14 Nov 2007 17:39
GT <g.thibaudeau(a)bipm.org> writes:

>Hi,
>First things first.
>The following is not for this post only, but "takes care" of the
>preceeding posts as well.
>As far as being rude is concerned, I would be wasting my time
>talking about it. You obviously know everything ahead of time and
>entering a p*ssing contest, I have no time for.

>This said I find that linux-based ngs are by far the rudest. Some ngs
>are plain stupid, but answers which basically call the writer an idiot
>without letting on what KIND of info is required are not really
>helping the requester help by supplying the right kind of info.

>Anyway, concerning the compilation of kernel.
>YES I have been told, several times and by different people that doing
>that with everything attached gets linux to accept the surrounding hardware.
>No need to call rubbish. True or false that is what I was told.

And the person who told you that is unreliable. You know now something you
did not know before asking here.


>Now, I am not a newbie, by quite a few years but it's not because I have
>a driving licence that I can build an engine, nor might I wish to.
>I have gone into kernel stuff, and it is definitely not something I wish
>to get into without some serious assurance first.
>Google / ng provide that, to some extent.
>If you are kind enough to let me know what is required to get the info,
>fine. If you are not for whatever reason, let it be, no insults,
>implicit or explicit, and go take a shower and cool down.

>> Petty point first: Get rid of the V-card rubbish when posting
>> to a USENET Linux group or you will see no further reply from me.

>No need for the tone. All you need is ask. I thought it had been done
>previously and since I cannot see if it does it or not until the post
>gets posted , there you go.

Other's annoyance comes through.



>>
>> First significant point: "hardware recognition. There's always
>> a problem" tells us absolutely nothing useful. Specify what
>> hardware you have, and what is not getting recognized. Adding
>> in what you have done that might enable/disable/affect this
>> would be useful.

>I have : I use the printer HP color laserjet 2605dn at work, I do not
>see it on the HP site, nor linux drivers.

It is a network printer ( the "n" in the name ) which recognizes
postscript.

>Mandriva does not have a list either (being prepared, so they say)

Mandriva uses cups. The question is whether or not there is a ppd file for
the printer. HP has them ( if nothing else in the Mac package).


>So, question, is there any way I can know whether they'll talk to each
>other?
>More info than this : please be more specific.
>Remember :

>"I feel mandriva seems the best solution for my needs."

>means I have not acquired yet.

>>
>> Finally, if you do install Mandriva or some other version
>> of Linux, add it to your system rather than remove your
>> Micro$loth Winblows OS. With a dual-boot machine, if
>> Linux does not do what you want, you can boot back into
>> Winblows, delete the Linux hard drive partitions and reformat
>> them for Winblows, and use the Winblows utility to restore
>> your MBR. Nothing lost except your time experimenting.

>I have been using dual boots for years. I use windows for multimedia and
>linux for work mainly.
>But thank you for thinking about it.

>So, I hope I have been clearer. If you feel I need more abuse, do
>yourself, and me, a favour and go to the next msg.

>Thanks.

>Normally no vcard should follow.
>G

>>
>> jim b.
>>
>>
From: Jim Beard on 14 Nov 2007 18:26
GT wrote:
> Hi,
> First things first.
> The following is not for this post only, but "takes care" of the
> preceeding posts as well.
> As far as being rude is concerned, I would be wasting my time
> talking about it. You obviously know everything ahead of time and
> entering a p*ssing contest, I have no time for.
>
> This said I find that linux-based ngs are by far the rudest. Some ngs
> are plain stupid, but answers which basically call the writer an idiot
> without letting on what KIND of info is required are not really
> helping the requester help by supplying the right kind of info.
>
> Anyway, concerning the compilation of kernel.
> YES I have been told, several times and by different people that doing
> that with everything attached gets linux to accept the surrounding
> hardware.
> No need to call rubbish. True or false that is what I was told.
>
> Now, I am not a newbie, by quite a few years but it's not because I have
> a driving licence that I can build an engine, nor might I wish to.
> I have gone into kernel stuff, and it is definitely not something I wish
> to get into without some serious assurance first.
> Google / ng provide that, to some extent.
> If you are kind enough to let me know what is required to get the info,
> fine. If you are not for whatever reason, let it be, no insults,
> implicit or explicit, and go take a shower and cool down.
>
>> Petty point first: Get rid of the V-card rubbish when posting
>> to a USENET Linux group or you will see no further reply from me.
>
> No need for the tone. All you need is ask. I thought it had been done
> previously and since I cannot see if it does it or not until the post
> gets posted , there you go.


BitTwister asked. No effect, over multiple additional posts from you.
My judgment: Tone justified.
>
>>
>> First significant point: "hardware recognition. There's always
>> a problem" tells us absolutely nothing useful. Specify what
>> hardware you have, and what is not getting recognized. Adding
>> in what you have done that might enable/disable/affect this
>> would be useful.
>
> I have : I use the printer HP color laserjet 2605dn at work, I do not
> see it on the HP site, nor linux drivers.
> Mandriva does not have a list either (being prepared, so they say)
> So, question, is there any way I can know whether they'll talk to each
> other?

You might Google
hp laserjet linux 2605dn
and look around in the more promising hits listed on the first
page. No need to go through 20 or 30 items, just the first
handful. And you might find things like,

> Does anybody have an idea where to get appropriate driver software (I

Debian Etch /* Not Mandriva, but a big big clue that somethis is *
* available for Linux */

sudo apt-get install linuxprinting.org-ppds /* Software pkg to get */

and you can find driver:

/usr/share/ppd/postscript/linuxprinting.org/HP/HP_Color_LaserJet_2605.ppd.gz


This printer was a bear to get running Under CentOS v5.0 (Final),
but I got it running with the network interface using both a CUPS interface and
an HP (Foomatic) interface.
Set up the "port" as a socket using the HP jetdirect and the IP address on your
local
network. define the printer model as: HP Color LaserJet v2013.114 Postscript
(recommended).
Try the test page! It will look great and function well. No tray selection
problems either.
Both the CUPS interface and the generic postscript interface work well.
-Mitch W2MKB

Ans some other things, such as advise that the thing will work as a "raw"
postscript printer, set up as a network printer.

> More info than this : please be more specific.
> Remember :
>
> "I feel mandriva seems the best solution for my needs."
>
> means I have not acquired yet.

Have not acquired what? OS? Printer? Clue?
>>
>> Finally, if you do install Mandriva or some other version
>> of Linux, add it to your system rather than remove your
>> Micro$loth Winblows OS. With a dual-boot machine, if
>> Linux does not do what you want, you can boot back into
>> Winblows, delete the Linux hard drive partitions and reformat
>> them for Winblows, and use the Winblows utility to restore
>> your MBR. Nothing lost except your time experimenting.
>
> I have been using dual boots for years. I use windows for multimedia and
> linux for work mainly.
> But thank you for thinking about it.
>
> So, I hope I have been clearer. If you feel I need more abuse, do
> yourself, and me, a favour and go to the next msg.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Normally no vcard should follow.

I am entirely willing to provide abuse, but at the
moment dinner has a higher priority. I will return to
this later and see if I can (possibly) make a useful
contribution.

In any case, my guess is that Mandriva will do what you
want.

Cheers!

jim b.


--
UNIX is not user-unfriendly; it merely
expects users to be computer-friendly.
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