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From: Martin Schiff on 9 Apr 2008 09:19 Ted, or anyone else that does this, How do you route your headphone mix so that you can have singers or instrument players that are recording in a microphone be able to hear their voices, without using Sonar's monitoring using a Delta 1010 and an external stand alone preamp. I have a stereo preamp (D.A.V. BG #1) that is routed directly into my Delta 1010's # 7 & 8 inputs. In Sonar, I have the main out routed to the Delta 1010 out #1&2, and that goes to my Mackie 1402 VLZ mixer. I thought by setting the Delta 1010 to "Monitor Mixer" that I would be able to hear the preamp input directly, but that does not work. What signal path do you use so you can give a singer their voice in the cans, along with the mix you've already recorded in your DAW? Also, how do you provide them with reverb if you are recording dry? TIA. -- Martin
From: Ricky Hunt on 9 Apr 2008 17:26 "Martin Schiff" <martin(a)Nospamstevegoldman.comDA-DE-DA> wrote in message news:q9qdnTf1EZ0cX2HanZ2dnUVZ_quhnZ2d(a)nuvoxcommunications... > Ted, or anyone else that does this, > > How do you route your headphone mix so that you can have singers or > instrument players that are recording in a microphone be able to hear > their voices, without using Sonar's monitoring using a Delta 1010 and an > external stand alone preamp. I have a stereo preamp (D.A.V. BG #1) that is > routed directly into my Delta 1010's # 7 & 8 inputs. In Sonar, I have the > main out routed to the Delta 1010 out #1&2, and that goes to my Mackie > 1402 VLZ mixer. I thought by setting the Delta 1010 to "Monitor Mixer" > that I would be able to hear the preamp input directly, but that does not > work. You have to go into the Delta's Control Panel and go to the Patchbay/Router tab. Under HW Out 1/2 set it to HW in 7/8 and see if that gets what you want. > > What signal path do you use so you can give a singer their voice in the > cans, along with the mix you've already recorded in your DAW? Also, how do > you provide them with reverb if you are recording dry? Do you have an outboard reverb or plugins only? If you have an outboard I would do something different above. I would route the mix to one pair of outs (let's say 3/4 on the Delta) and leave the singers on 1/2 (just for clarity with the example above). Then take each pair into separate stereo channels on the Mackie. Then just use the Aux send for the singers to the reverb. I don't use input monitoring so I just fooled around a second and figured a way to keep your monitoring as above but use a plugin for reverb monitoring (there might be an easier way if someone else knows). Set up two tracks for the vocal recording (set the input to the same on both). For the "real" track that you're sending out to the Mackie, leave input monitoring off. For the 2nd track, put a reverb plugin in the fx bin and set it to 100% wet. Then turn input monitoring on for the second track. The beauty of this is even fairly large latency's don't matter since there's usually some pre-delay for most reverbs anyway (and if it's too much you can just back down the pre-delay on the plugin. Ricky
From: Martin Schiff on 10 Apr 2008 09:24 Thanks Ricky, I have a couple of nice outboard reverb units in my rack, so that is not a problem. Here's the way things are set up now. I have a Mackie 1402 mixer and an external stereo preamp (actually, I have several, but one is all we need to deal with). The Delta 1010 1&2 HW outputs are routed to a stereo input in the Mackie, and its main out goes to the amplifier for the monitors. The stereo preamp goes to inputs 7&8 in the Delta 1010. I also have a keyboard on another stereo input in the Mackie. I have the Alt outputs on the mackie routed to input 3&4 of the Delta 1010, so that I can just press the Alt button on any channel that I want to record and still monitor through the Mackie. The problem is that the DAV preamp does not go to the Mackie at all, so it is not in the mix (unless I use input monitoring). I guess when I get a faster machine, this will be moot, since I can use input monitoring then. I guess another option would be to route the DAV preamp into a stereo channel of the Mackie, but that would degrade the signal slightly from going directly into the 1010 I would think. I know that Ted has his system set up to be able to do this, so I'm hoping he will chime in here. -- Martin "Ricky Hunt" <rhunt22(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message news:5waLj.59874$TT4.37457(a)attbi_s22... > "Martin Schiff" <martin(a)Nospamstevegoldman.comDA-DE-DA> wrote in message > news:q9qdnTf1EZ0cX2HanZ2dnUVZ_quhnZ2d(a)nuvoxcommunications... >> Ted, or anyone else that does this, >> >> How do you route your headphone mix so that you can have singers or >> instrument players that are recording in a microphone be able to hear >> their voices, without using Sonar's monitoring using a Delta 1010 and an >> external stand alone preamp. I have a stereo preamp (D.A.V. BG #1) that >> is routed directly into my Delta 1010's # 7 & 8 inputs. In Sonar, I have >> the main out routed to the Delta 1010 out #1&2, and that goes to my >> Mackie 1402 VLZ mixer. I thought by setting the Delta 1010 to "Monitor >> Mixer" that I would be able to hear the preamp input directly, but that >> does not work. > > You have to go into the Delta's Control Panel and go to the > Patchbay/Router tab. Under HW Out 1/2 set it to HW in 7/8 and see if that > gets what you want. > >> >> What signal path do you use so you can give a singer their voice in the >> cans, along with the mix you've already recorded in your DAW? Also, how >> do you provide them with reverb if you are recording dry? > > Do you have an outboard reverb or plugins only? If you have an outboard I > would do something different above. I would route the mix to one pair of > outs (let's say 3/4 on the Delta) and leave the singers on 1/2 (just for > clarity with the example above). Then take each pair into separate stereo > channels on the Mackie. Then just use the Aux send for the singers to the > reverb. > > I don't use input monitoring so I just fooled around a second and figured > a way to keep your monitoring as above but use a plugin for reverb > monitoring (there might be an easier way if someone else knows). Set up > two tracks for the vocal recording (set the input to the same on both). > For the "real" track that you're sending out to the Mackie, leave input > monitoring off. For the 2nd track, put a reverb plugin in the fx bin and > set it to 100% wet. Then turn input monitoring on for the second track. > The beauty of this is even fairly large latency's don't matter since > there's usually some pre-delay for most reverbs anyway (and if it's too > much you can just back down the pre-delay on the plugin. > > Ricky >
From: Ricky Hunt on 10 Apr 2008 18:45 Did setting the Delta Control Panel's Patchbay/Router tab where it says H/W Out 1/2 to radio button H/W In 7/8 (and of course unmuting channels 7/8 and raising their gain in the control panel) not solve your problem? I think you should be able to hear the preamps through the outputs 1/2 on the Delta going into the Mackie. Can you not? If so, then you can use plugins like I described. As far as your other way of working. Going through the Mackie as you are (through the Alts) is likely degrading your signal (whether it's enough to matter is debatable). One thing you DO want to keep out of the path (if you're not using it) is the EQ section of the Mackie. You know about how you can push a plug half-way in the channel-inserts and bypass all that don't you? That way you could send the signal from the preamp to the Delta and still monitor through the Mackie (and use your hardware verbs if you want). "Martin Schiff" <martin(a)Nospamstevegoldman.comDA-DE-DA> wrote in message news:LsWdnfDxIPiYiGPanZ2dnUVZ_smnnZ2d(a)nuvoxcommunications... > Thanks Ricky, > > I have a couple of nice outboard reverb units in my rack, so that is not a > problem. Here's the way things are set up now. I have a Mackie 1402 mixer > and an external stereo preamp (actually, I have several, but one is all we > need to deal with). The Delta 1010 1&2 HW outputs are routed to a stereo > input in the Mackie, and its main out goes to the amplifier for the > monitors. The stereo preamp goes to inputs 7&8 in the Delta 1010. I also > have a keyboard on another stereo input in the Mackie. I have the Alt > outputs on the mackie routed to input 3&4 of the Delta 1010, so that I can > just press the Alt button on any channel that I want to record and still > monitor through the Mackie. The problem is that the DAV preamp does not go > to the Mackie at all, so it is not in the mix (unless I use input > monitoring). I guess when I get a faster machine, this will be moot, since > I can use input monitoring then. I guess another option would be to route > the DAV preamp into a stereo channel of the Mackie, but that would degrade > the signal slightly from going directly into the 1010 I would think. > > I know that Ted has his system set up to be able to do this, so I'm hoping > he will chime in here. > > -- Martin > > "Ricky Hunt" <rhunt22(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:5waLj.59874$TT4.37457(a)attbi_s22... >> "Martin Schiff" <martin(a)Nospamstevegoldman.comDA-DE-DA> wrote in message >> news:q9qdnTf1EZ0cX2HanZ2dnUVZ_quhnZ2d(a)nuvoxcommunications... >>> Ted, or anyone else that does this, >>> >>> How do you route your headphone mix so that you can have singers or >>> instrument players that are recording in a microphone be able to hear >>> their voices, without using Sonar's monitoring using a Delta 1010 and an >>> external stand alone preamp. I have a stereo preamp (D.A.V. BG #1) that >>> is routed directly into my Delta 1010's # 7 & 8 inputs. In Sonar, I have >>> the main out routed to the Delta 1010 out #1&2, and that goes to my >>> Mackie 1402 VLZ mixer. I thought by setting the Delta 1010 to "Monitor >>> Mixer" that I would be able to hear the preamp input directly, but that >>> does not work. >> >> You have to go into the Delta's Control Panel and go to the >> Patchbay/Router tab. Under HW Out 1/2 set it to HW in 7/8 and see if that >> gets what you want. >> >>> >>> What signal path do you use so you can give a singer their voice in the >>> cans, along with the mix you've already recorded in your DAW? Also, how >>> do you provide them with reverb if you are recording dry? >> >> Do you have an outboard reverb or plugins only? If you have an outboard I >> would do something different above. I would route the mix to one pair of >> outs (let's say 3/4 on the Delta) and leave the singers on 1/2 (just for >> clarity with the example above). Then take each pair into separate stereo >> channels on the Mackie. Then just use the Aux send for the singers to the >> reverb. >> >> I don't use input monitoring so I just fooled around a second and figured >> a way to keep your monitoring as above but use a plugin for reverb >> monitoring (there might be an easier way if someone else knows). Set up >> two tracks for the vocal recording (set the input to the same on both). >> For the "real" track that you're sending out to the Mackie, leave input >> monitoring off. For the 2nd track, put a reverb plugin in the fx bin and >> set it to 100% wet. Then turn input monitoring on for the second track. >> The beauty of this is even fairly large latency's don't matter since >> there's usually some pre-delay for most reverbs anyway (and if it's too >> much you can just back down the pre-delay on the plugin. >> >> Ricky >> > >
From: Martin Schiff on 11 Apr 2008 09:17
Ricky, I didn't get a chance to try it yet (routing). I'll try it this weekend and let you know. -- Martin "Ricky Hunt" <rhunt22(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message news:iMwLj.61377$TT4.49261(a)attbi_s22... > Did setting the Delta Control Panel's Patchbay/Router tab where it says > H/W Out 1/2 to radio button H/W In 7/8 (and of course unmuting channels > 7/8 and raising their gain in the control panel) not solve your problem? I > think you should be able to hear the preamps through the outputs 1/2 on > the Delta going into the Mackie. Can you not? If so, then you can use > plugins like I described. > > As far as your other way of working. Going through the Mackie as you are > (through the Alts) is likely degrading your signal (whether it's enough to > matter is debatable). One thing you DO want to keep out of the path (if > you're not using it) is the EQ section of the Mackie. You know about how > you can push a plug half-way in the channel-inserts and bypass all that > don't you? That way you could send the signal from the preamp to the Delta > and still monitor through the Mackie (and use your hardware verbs if you > want). > > "Martin Schiff" <martin(a)Nospamstevegoldman.comDA-DE-DA> wrote in message > news:LsWdnfDxIPiYiGPanZ2dnUVZ_smnnZ2d(a)nuvoxcommunications... >> Thanks Ricky, >> >> I have a couple of nice outboard reverb units in my rack, so that is not >> a problem. Here's the way things are set up now. I have a Mackie 1402 >> mixer and an external stereo preamp (actually, I have several, but one is >> all we need to deal with). The Delta 1010 1&2 HW outputs are routed to a >> stereo input in the Mackie, and its main out goes to the amplifier for >> the monitors. The stereo preamp goes to inputs 7&8 in the Delta 1010. I >> also have a keyboard on another stereo input in the Mackie. I have the >> Alt outputs on the mackie routed to input 3&4 of the Delta 1010, so that >> I can just press the Alt button on any channel that I want to record and >> still monitor through the Mackie. The problem is that the DAV preamp does >> not go to the Mackie at all, so it is not in the mix (unless I use input >> monitoring). I guess when I get a faster machine, this will be moot, >> since I can use input monitoring then. I guess another option would be to >> route the DAV preamp into a stereo channel of the Mackie, but that would >> degrade the signal slightly from going directly into the 1010 I would >> think. >> >> I know that Ted has his system set up to be able to do this, so I'm >> hoping he will chime in here. >> >> -- Martin >> >> "Ricky Hunt" <rhunt22(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message >> news:5waLj.59874$TT4.37457(a)attbi_s22... >>> "Martin Schiff" <martin(a)Nospamstevegoldman.comDA-DE-DA> wrote in message >>> news:q9qdnTf1EZ0cX2HanZ2dnUVZ_quhnZ2d(a)nuvoxcommunications... >>>> Ted, or anyone else that does this, >>>> >>>> How do you route your headphone mix so that you can have singers or >>>> instrument players that are recording in a microphone be able to hear >>>> their voices, without using Sonar's monitoring using a Delta 1010 and >>>> an external stand alone preamp. I have a stereo preamp (D.A.V. BG #1) >>>> that is routed directly into my Delta 1010's # 7 & 8 inputs. In Sonar, >>>> I have the main out routed to the Delta 1010 out #1&2, and that goes to >>>> my Mackie 1402 VLZ mixer. I thought by setting the Delta 1010 to >>>> "Monitor Mixer" that I would be able to hear the preamp input directly, >>>> but that does not work. >>> >>> You have to go into the Delta's Control Panel and go to the >>> Patchbay/Router tab. Under HW Out 1/2 set it to HW in 7/8 and see if >>> that gets what you want. >>> >>>> >>>> What signal path do you use so you can give a singer their voice in the >>>> cans, along with the mix you've already recorded in your DAW? Also, how >>>> do you provide them with reverb if you are recording dry? >>> >>> Do you have an outboard reverb or plugins only? If you have an outboard >>> I would do something different above. I would route the mix to one pair >>> of outs (let's say 3/4 on the Delta) and leave the singers on 1/2 (just >>> for clarity with the example above). Then take each pair into separate >>> stereo channels on the Mackie. Then just use the Aux send for the >>> singers to the reverb. >>> >>> I don't use input monitoring so I just fooled around a second and >>> figured a way to keep your monitoring as above but use a plugin for >>> reverb monitoring (there might be an easier way if someone else knows). >>> Set up two tracks for the vocal recording (set the input to the same on >>> both). For the "real" track that you're sending out to the Mackie, leave >>> input monitoring off. For the 2nd track, put a reverb plugin in the fx >>> bin and set it to 100% wet. Then turn input monitoring on for the second >>> track. The beauty of this is even fairly large latency's don't matter >>> since there's usually some pre-delay for most reverbs anyway (and if >>> it's too much you can just back down the pre-delay on the plugin. >>> >>> Ricky >>> >> >> > > |