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From: Max Arwood on 11 Apr 2008 20:54
(same as 1010 <g>) I use a patchbay to split all my preamp signals. That way
you can record direct from 1 side of the patchbay and monitor from the
other. You have to set up the patchbay to 1/2 normal, that is the "splitter"
type setting for a patchbay. It works great that way. You still have to use
channels on you mackie to input the splits from the patchbay to monitor
them. I'm not sure about the 1402, but on my 24/8 I can turn off the 1/2 and
the 3/4, that way non of the pre signal is sent to the mixer again. Never
mind I just blew up a photo of a 1402. It's like my 1202 - 4 bus if you use
the alt/mute. You can't turn off anything, you can only change where it
goes. I guess you could unplug your alt out's that go to the 1010 and use
alt only to monitor the pres. You lose 2 channels that way. That would be
one option. Another might be to use the tape inputs to monitor the pre's. I
think there are some buttons that allow you to route the tape to alt or main
outs. I do my keyboards the same way, preamp to patchbay split then go to
mackie and to computer.

Max Arwood


"Martin Schiff" <martin(a)Nospamstevegoldman.comDA-DE-DA> wrote in message
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> Thanks Ricky,
>
> I have a couple of nice outboard reverb units in my rack, so that is not a
> problem. Here's the way things are set up now. I have a Mackie 1402 mixer
> and an external stereo preamp (actually, I have several, but one is all we
> need to deal with). The Delta 1010 1&2 HW outputs are routed to a stereo
> input in the Mackie, and its main out goes to the amplifier for the
> monitors. The stereo preamp goes to inputs 7&8 in the Delta 1010. I also
> have a keyboard on another stereo input in the Mackie. I have the Alt
> outputs on the mackie routed to input 3&4 of the Delta 1010, so that I can
> just press the Alt button on any channel that I want to record and still
> monitor through the Mackie. The problem is that the DAV preamp does not go
> to the Mackie at all, so it is not in the mix (unless I use input
> monitoring). I guess when I get a faster machine, this will be moot, since
> I can use input monitoring then. I guess another option would be to route
> the DAV preamp into a stereo channel of the Mackie, but that would degrade
> the signal slightly from going directly into the 1010 I would think.
>
> I know that Ted has his system set up to be able to do this, so I'm hoping
> he will chime in here.
>
> -- Martin
>
> "Ricky Hunt" <rhunt22(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:5waLj.59874$TT4.37457(a)attbi_s22...
>> "Martin Schiff" <martin(a)Nospamstevegoldman.comDA-DE-DA> wrote in message
>> news:q9qdnTf1EZ0cX2HanZ2dnUVZ_quhnZ2d(a)nuvoxcommunications...
>>> Ted, or anyone else that does this,
>>>
>>> How do you route your headphone mix so that you can have singers or
>>> instrument players that are recording in a microphone be able to hear
>>> their voices, without using Sonar's monitoring using a Delta 1010 and an
>>> external stand alone preamp. I have a stereo preamp (D.A.V. BG #1) that
>>> is routed directly into my Delta 1010's # 7 & 8 inputs. In Sonar, I have
>>> the main out routed to the Delta 1010 out #1&2, and that goes to my
>>> Mackie 1402 VLZ mixer. I thought by setting the Delta 1010 to "Monitor
>>> Mixer" that I would be able to hear the preamp input directly, but that
>>> does not work.
>>
>> You have to go into the Delta's Control Panel and go to the
>> Patchbay/Router tab. Under HW Out 1/2 set it to HW in 7/8 and see if that
>> gets what you want.
>>
>>>
>>> What signal path do you use so you can give a singer their voice in the
>>> cans, along with the mix you've already recorded in your DAW? Also, how
>>> do you provide them with reverb if you are recording dry?
>>
>> Do you have an outboard reverb or plugins only? If you have an outboard I
>> would do something different above. I would route the mix to one pair of
>> outs (let's say 3/4 on the Delta) and leave the singers on 1/2 (just for
>> clarity with the example above). Then take each pair into separate stereo
>> channels on the Mackie. Then just use the Aux send for the singers to the
>> reverb.
>>
>> I don't use input monitoring so I just fooled around a second and figured
>> a way to keep your monitoring as above but use a plugin for reverb
>> monitoring (there might be an easier way if someone else knows). Set up
>> two tracks for the vocal recording (set the input to the same on both).
>> For the "real" track that you're sending out to the Mackie, leave input
>> monitoring off. For the 2nd track, put a reverb plugin in the fx bin and
>> set it to 100% wet. Then turn input monitoring on for the second track.
>> The beauty of this is even fairly large latency's don't matter since
>> there's usually some pre-delay for most reverbs anyway (and if it's too
>> much you can just back down the pre-delay on the plugin.
>>
>> Ricky
>>
>
>


From: Martin Schiff on 13 Apr 2008 00:45
Thanks Max. I do have a patchbay in my rack that I am not currently using.
That would be a good use for it.

-- Martin

"Max Arwood" <maxarwood(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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> (same as 1010 <g>) I use a patchbay to split all my preamp signals. That
> way you can record direct from 1 side of the patchbay and monitor from the
> other. You have to set up the patchbay to 1/2 normal, that is the
> "splitter" type setting for a patchbay. It works great that way. You still
> have to use channels on you mackie to input the splits from the patchbay
> to monitor them. I'm not sure about the 1402, but on my 24/8 I can turn
> off the 1/2 and the 3/4, that way non of the pre signal is sent to the
> mixer again. Never mind I just blew up a photo of a 1402. It's like my
> 1202 - 4 bus if you use the alt/mute. You can't turn off anything, you can
> only change where it goes. I guess you could unplug your alt out's that go
> to the 1010 and use alt only to monitor the pres. You lose 2 channels that
> way. That would be one option. Another might be to use the tape inputs to
> monitor the pre's. I think there are some buttons that allow you to route
> the tape to alt or main outs. I do my keyboards the same way, preamp to
> patchbay split then go to mackie and to computer.
>
> Max Arwood
>
>
> "Martin Schiff" <martin(a)Nospamstevegoldman.comDA-DE-DA> wrote in message
> news:LsWdnfDxIPiYiGPanZ2dnUVZ_smnnZ2d(a)nuvoxcommunications...
>> Thanks Ricky,
>>
>> I have a couple of nice outboard reverb units in my rack, so that is not
>> a problem. Here's the way things are set up now. I have a Mackie 1402
>> mixer and an external stereo preamp (actually, I have several, but one is
>> all we need to deal with). The Delta 1010 1&2 HW outputs are routed to a
>> stereo input in the Mackie, and its main out goes to the amplifier for
>> the monitors. The stereo preamp goes to inputs 7&8 in the Delta 1010. I
>> also have a keyboard on another stereo input in the Mackie. I have the
>> Alt outputs on the mackie routed to input 3&4 of the Delta 1010, so that
>> I can just press the Alt button on any channel that I want to record and
>> still monitor through the Mackie. The problem is that the DAV preamp does
>> not go to the Mackie at all, so it is not in the mix (unless I use input
>> monitoring). I guess when I get a faster machine, this will be moot,
>> since I can use input monitoring then. I guess another option would be to
>> route the DAV preamp into a stereo channel of the Mackie, but that would
>> degrade the signal slightly from going directly into the 1010 I would
>> think.
>>
>> I know that Ted has his system set up to be able to do this, so I'm
>> hoping he will chime in here.
>>
>> -- Martin
>>
>> "Ricky Hunt" <rhunt22(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:5waLj.59874$TT4.37457(a)attbi_s22...
>>> "Martin Schiff" <martin(a)Nospamstevegoldman.comDA-DE-DA> wrote in message
>>> news:q9qdnTf1EZ0cX2HanZ2dnUVZ_quhnZ2d(a)nuvoxcommunications...
>>>> Ted, or anyone else that does this,
>>>>
>>>> How do you route your headphone mix so that you can have singers or
>>>> instrument players that are recording in a microphone be able to hear
>>>> their voices, without using Sonar's monitoring using a Delta 1010 and
>>>> an external stand alone preamp. I have a stereo preamp (D.A.V. BG #1)
>>>> that is routed directly into my Delta 1010's # 7 & 8 inputs. In Sonar,
>>>> I have the main out routed to the Delta 1010 out #1&2, and that goes to
>>>> my Mackie 1402 VLZ mixer. I thought by setting the Delta 1010 to
>>>> "Monitor Mixer" that I would be able to hear the preamp input directly,
>>>> but that does not work.
>>>
>>> You have to go into the Delta's Control Panel and go to the
>>> Patchbay/Router tab. Under HW Out 1/2 set it to HW in 7/8 and see if
>>> that gets what you want.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> What signal path do you use so you can give a singer their voice in the
>>>> cans, along with the mix you've already recorded in your DAW? Also, how
>>>> do you provide them with reverb if you are recording dry?
>>>
>>> Do you have an outboard reverb or plugins only? If you have an outboard
>>> I would do something different above. I would route the mix to one pair
>>> of outs (let's say 3/4 on the Delta) and leave the singers on 1/2 (just
>>> for clarity with the example above). Then take each pair into separate
>>> stereo channels on the Mackie. Then just use the Aux send for the
>>> singers to the reverb.
>>>
>>> I don't use input monitoring so I just fooled around a second and
>>> figured a way to keep your monitoring as above but use a plugin for
>>> reverb monitoring (there might be an easier way if someone else knows).
>>> Set up two tracks for the vocal recording (set the input to the same on
>>> both). For the "real" track that you're sending out to the Mackie, leave
>>> input monitoring off. For the 2nd track, put a reverb plugin in the fx
>>> bin and set it to 100% wet. Then turn input monitoring on for the second
>>> track. The beauty of this is even fairly large latency's don't matter
>>> since there's usually some pre-delay for most reverbs anyway (and if
>>> it's too much you can just back down the pre-delay on the plugin.
>>>
>>> Ricky
>>>
>>
>>
>
>


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