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From: Jose on 27 May 2010 19:39
On May 27, 2:29 am, "Joe McGuire" <mcguir...(a)comcast.net> wrote:
> Ah, now I understand.  I was looking in the wrong stuff (in System instead
> of Applications).  I see the results of CHKDSK.  It shows 0 KB in bad
> sectors.  Is this consistent with a bad hard drive?
>
> "Johnw" <johnmatt...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:htkt6h$1r01$1(a)adenine.netfront.net...
>
>
>
> > After serious thinking Joe McGuire wrote :
> >> Thanks!  I found the event viewer but nothing looks like the sort of
> >> report generated by CHKDSK.  I'll try again.
>
> > Obtaining CHKDSK Results ( log file )
> >http://www.cpucare.net/OS/XP/Viewing%20ChkDSk%20Results.htm
>
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If you got an answer like this, you would have not had to go back and
forth with messages and scratching your head saving a few useless
message cycles:

When chkdsk runs automatically on a reboot, the results are shown in
the Event Viewer Application log.

To see the Event Viewer logs, click Start, Settings, Control Panel,
Administrative Tools, Event Viewer.

A shortcut to Event Viewer is to click Start, Run and in the box
enter:

%SystemRoot%\system32\eventvwr.msc

Click OK to launch the Event Viewer.

Look in the Application log for an event sourced by Winlogon,
something like:

Event Type: Information
Event Source: Winlogon
Event Category: None
Event ID: 1001
Description:
Checking file system on C:
The type of the file system is NTFS.


A disk check has been scheduled.
Windows will now check the disk.

CHKDSK is verifying Usn Journal...
Usn Journal verification completed.

39070048 KB total disk space.
25151976 KB in 78653 files.
48256 KB in 10264 indexes.
0 KB in bad sectors.
237080 KB in use by the system.
65536 KB occupied by the log file.
13632736 KB available on disk.

4096 bytes in each allocation unit.
9767512 total allocation units on disk.
3408184 allocation units available on disk.

Windows has finished checking your disk.
Please wait while your computer restarts.
From: Jose on 27 May 2010 19:41
On May 27, 1:12 pm, "Db" <databas...(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
> the check disk is also used
> to reconcile the files in the
> file system with the master
> file table.
>
> it is likely that your system
> appropriately advised you
> of an impending crash with
> the master file table and
> recommended a check disk.
>
> you might consider running
> a check disk and a defrag
> on a semi regular basis
> to keep both the file and
> disk system tuned up.
>
> the microsoft free one
> care online scanner is
> convenient to use.
>
> --
> --
> db·´¯`·...¸><)))º>
>
> DatabaseBen, Retired Professional
>
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>
> "Joe McGuire" <mcguir...(a)comcast.net> wrote in message
>
> news:#LaMVwa$KHA.5476(a)TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>
>
>
> > That's a relief!  Thanks!  But I am scratching my head.  If there are no
> > bad sectors in the HD, why did the initial computer diagnostic I ran
> > report a bad HD?  Are these different tests?  Is one more reliable than
> > the other? Did CHKDSK "fix" whatever might have been wrong and then report
> > 0 kb in bad sectors?  This laptop is 5 years old so I have had already
> > been thinking it might be time for a new one--before this problem hit..
>
> > "Johnw" <johnmatt...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:htlk80$31a9$1(a)adenine.netfront.net...
> >> Joe McGuire brought next idea :
> >>> Ah, now I understand.  I was looking in the wrong stuff (in System
> >>> instead of Applications).  I see the results of CHKDSK.  It shows 0 KB
> >>> in bad sectors.  Is this consistent with a bad hard drive?
>
> >> Yep, that is why I googled for a link, to support the info from Volunteer
> >> J.
>
> >> Your HD is Ok.
>
> >> hard drive bad sectors
>
> >>http://www.google.com.au/#hl=en&source=hp&q=hard+drive+bad+sectors&aq...
>
> >>http://www.pcstats.com/articleview.cfm?articleid=1583&page=3
>
> >>http://www.topbits.com/bad-sector.html
>
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Tell me what system or software will notify me of an impending crash
of the master file table and recommend a chkdsk.

I would like to run that on my system here to see if I am up for an
impending crash of my master file table.
From: Johnw on 27 May 2010 20:28
Joe McGuire brought next idea :
> That's a relief! Thanks! But I am scratching my head. If there are no bad
> sectors in the HD, why did the initial computer diagnostic I ran report a bad
> HD? Are these different tests? Is one more reliable than the other? Did
> CHKDSK "fix" whatever might have been wrong and then report 0 kb in bad
> sectors? This laptop is 5 years old so I have had already been thinking it
> might be time for a new one--before this problem hit..
>
The 9 pages in my previous link, covers in beginner easy to understand
mode > S.M.A.R.T.
http://www.pcstats.com/articleview.cfm?articleid=1583&page=1

The link provided by Volunteer J, shows you all the different ways to
run Chkdsk.
http://support.microsoft.com/Default.aspx?kbid=315265

To get an online report in easy to understand format, use SpeedFan.
http://www.softpedia.com/get/System/System-Info/SpeedFan.shtml
http://www.softpedia.com/progScreenshots/SpeedFan-Screenshot-4103.html
http://www.almico.com/speedfan.php
I use the non beta version.
Install, click on > S.M.A.R.T. & then click on > Perform an in-depth
online analysis of this hard disk.
Screenshot 6
http://www.softpedia.com/screenshots/SpeedFan_6.png



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From: Johnw on 27 May 2010 21:47
Jose explained on 28/05/2010 :
> If you got an answer like this, you would have not had to go back and
> forth with messages and scratching your head saving a few useless
> message cycles:
>
> When chkdsk runs automatically on a reboot, the results are shown in
> the Event Viewer Application log.
>
> To see the Event Viewer logs, click Start, Settings, Control Panel,
> Administrative Tools, Event Viewer.
>
> A shortcut to Event Viewer is to click Start, Run and in the box
> enter:
>
> %SystemRoot%\system32\eventvwr.msc
>
> Click OK to launch the Event Viewer.
>
> Look in the Application log for an event sourced by Winlogon,
> something like:
>
> Event Type: Information
> Event Source: Winlogon
> Event Category: None
> Event ID: 1001
> Description:
> Checking file system on C:
> The type of the file system is NTFS.
>
>
> A disk check has been scheduled.
> Windows will now check the disk.
>
> CHKDSK is verifying Usn Journal...
> Usn Journal verification completed.
>
> 39070048 KB total disk space.
> 25151976 KB in 78653 files.
> 48256 KB in 10264 indexes.
> 0 KB in bad sectors.
> 237080 KB in use by the system.
> 65536 KB occupied by the log file.
> 13632736 KB available on disk.
>
> 4096 bytes in each allocation unit.
> 9767512 total allocation units on disk.
> 3408184 allocation units available on disk.
>
> Windows has finished checking your disk.
> Please wait while your computer restarts.

In addition to my previous info, the program mentioned by Paul, will
help in giving another diagnosis. His warnings need to be acknowledged.

HD Tune
http://www.softpedia.com/get/System/Hard-Disk-Utils/HD-Tune.shtml
http://www.softpedia.com/progScreenshots/HD-Tune-Screenshot-9010.html
http://www.softpedia.com/screenshots/HD-Tune_3.png
http://www.hdtune.com/



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From: Db on 28 May 2010 12:35
no need to split hairs

scheduled tasks can
circumvent impending
disasters:

http://www.microsoft.com/athome/setup/maintenance.aspx

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DatabaseBen, Retired Professional

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"Jose" <jose_ease(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:f3fae557-ac89-4795-939e-bcc916544785(a)y12g2000vbg.googlegroups.com...
> On May 27, 1:12 pm, "Db" <databas...(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>> the check disk is also used
>> to reconcile the files in the
>> file system with the master
>> file table.
>>
>> it is likely that your system
>> appropriately advised you
>> of an impending crash with
>> the master file table and
>> recommended a check disk.
>>
>> you might consider running
>> a check disk and a defrag
>> on a semi regular basis
>> to keep both the file and
>> disk system tuned up.
>>
>> the microsoft free one
>> care online scanner is
>> convenient to use.
>>
>> --
>> --
>> db���`�...�><)))�>
>>
>> DatabaseBen, Retired Professional
>>
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> This NNTP newsgroup is evolving to:
>>
>> http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/default.aspx
>>
>> "Joe McGuire" <mcguir...(a)comcast.net> wrote in message
>>
>> news:#LaMVwa$KHA.5476(a)TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>
>>
>>
>> > That's a relief! Thanks! But I am scratching my head. If there are
>> > no
>> > bad sectors in the HD, why did the initial computer diagnostic I ran
>> > report a bad HD? Are these different tests? Is one more reliable than
>> > the other? Did CHKDSK "fix" whatever might have been wrong and then
>> > report
>> > 0 kb in bad sectors? This laptop is 5 years old so I have had already
>> > been thinking it might be time for a new one--before this problem hit..
>>
>> > "Johnw" <johnmatt...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
>> >news:htlk80$31a9$1(a)adenine.netfront.net...
>> >> Joe McGuire brought next idea :
>> >>> Ah, now I understand. I was looking in the wrong stuff (in System
>> >>> instead of Applications). I see the results of CHKDSK. It shows 0
>> >>> KB
>> >>> in bad sectors. Is this consistent with a bad hard drive?
>>
>> >> Yep, that is why I googled for a link, to support the info from
>> >> Volunteer
>> >> J.
>>
>> >> Your HD is Ok.
>>
>> >> hard drive bad sectors
>>
>> >>http://www.google.com.au/#hl=en&source=hp&q=hard+drive+bad+sectors&aq...
>>
>> >>http://www.pcstats.com/articleview.cfm?articleid=1583&page=3
>>
>> >>http://www.topbits.com/bad-sector.html
>>
>> >> --- news://freenews.netfront.net/ - complaints: n...(a)netfront.net ---
>
> Tell me what system or software will notify me of an impending crash
> of the master file table and recommend a chkdsk.
>
> I would like to run that on my system here to see if I am up for an
> impending crash of my master file table.

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