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From: Ansgar -59cobalt- Wiechers on 8 Jun 2008 19:41
ASCII <f(a)l.se> wrote:
> Don't know if any other browsers these days have firewalls but the new
> Opera does and passes as stealth on shields up as well as withstands
> all pcflank can throw at it. Also passes the latest leak test so
> probably does stateful packet inspection too.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

cu
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"If a software developer ever believes a rootkit is a necessary part of
their architecture they should go back and re-architect their solution."
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From: Ansgar -59cobalt- Wiechers on 9 Jun 2008 07:12
ASCII <f(a)l.se> wrote:
> Root Kit wrote:
>> a sad example of a clueless dude mislead by "security" sites.
>
> If you know of any effective attack against it, how about posting a
> URL, otherwise you're as clueless as those other idiots who sell
> hardware routers on commission and need to maintain their illusion of
> superiority

Buster, you don't have the slightest idea of what you're talking about.

1. There's no such thing as "stealth" in IP. That's just braindead
marketing babble of people who failed to understand how IP works.

2. Client applications (like, say, web browsers) are not supposed to
open listening sockets on external interfaces. Therefore there's no
need at all to firewall them.

3. Stateful inspection doesn't have anything at all to do with
preventing data leaks.

Now get lost.

cu
59cobalt
--
"If a software developer ever believes a rootkit is a necessary part of
their architecture they should go back and re-architect their solution."
--Mark Russinovich
From: VanguardLH on 9 Jun 2008 10:30
"ASCII" wrote in <news:484c64bc.3917282(a)reader.usenet4all.se>:

> Don't know if any other browsers these days have firewalls but the new
> Opera does and passes as stealth on shields up as well as withstands all
> pcflank can throw at it. Also passes the latest leak test so probably
> does stateful packet inspection too. http://tinyurl.com/z85y

Why would there be any advantage for firewalling just one application?
Sandboxing: yes. Web browser: why? And why promote a BETA version?

Must be a very minor feature if they don't even bothering mentioning it
at http://www.opera.com/products/desktop/next/ on the page or in their
tour video, nor is a firewall mentioned in their changelogs at
http://www.opera.com/docs/changelogs/windows/.
From: VanguardLH on 9 Jun 2008 19:04
"ASCII" wrote in <news:484e76d8.1840626(a)reader.usenet4all.se>:

> VanguardLH wrote:
>>
>>Why would there be any advantage for firewalling just one application?
>>Sandboxing: yes. Web browser: why?
>
> Just guessing that the primary interface (browser)
> to the major source of danger (internet)
> is the most likely focus of concern.

Which would be covered by a general firewall that enforces connectivity
on any particular application, including the web browser.

> Sandboxing would be an unnecessary encumbrance
> if all your applications were trusted

You just said that you didn't trust the web browser. Sandboxing doesn't
sandbox every application. It sandboxes just the application that you
want sandboxed. Have a look at Sandboxie.

>>And why promote a BETA version?
>
> Not really 'promoting' it (I have no interest in the company) it was the
> version I finally upgraded to from an earlier legacy v6.06 that I used
> to run with everything from ATGuard to ZoneAlarm, but there are still
> enough unresolved bugs that I've now gone back to the stable v9.27.
> This version seems a little faster loading pages yet just as invisible
> and/or invulnerable, so I'll stay here for awhile.

And as for the part that you snipped out, just WHERE does Opera claim
that their beta 9.5 version contains a firewall within just their
browser?
From: VanguardLH on 10 Jun 2008 05:21
"ASCII" wrote in <news:484e2400.1342069(a)reader.usenet4all.se>:

> I don't recall them ever making such a claim,

Read your Subject line.

> even though I was
> surmising that it behaved as if it had a built in firewall.

Oh. Guess I won't waste more time trying to find out where was that
firewalling within Opera. If they had added it inside the app, I wanted
to see why they thought it was necessary. Please don't make up stuff.
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