From: seanwinship on
<delurk>

I found the following announcement from Oracle very interesting and
wanted to share it with the relational weenies here:

Oracle Buys In Memory Data Grid Leader Tangosol
(http://www.oracle.com/corporate/press/2007_mar/tangosol.html)

It's particularly interesting because Tangosol does not have a SQL
interface. Clearly there are some application domains that Oracle
itself realizes it can't handle.

There are already comments from Oracle employees and users:
http://www.dbms2.com/2007/03/25/oracle-tangosol-objects-caching-and-disruption/
http://preferisco.blogspot.com/2007/03/cache-in-bank-oracle-buys-tangosol.html
http://patricklogan.blogspot.com/2007/03/meet-new-boss.html

The last one links to a blog with the comment:
"Oracle's acquisition of Tangosol is one more acquisition in a series
that indicates Oracle has finally come to the conclusion that the
relational database is no longer a sufficient infrastructure platform
for a large class of applications, such as Extreme Transaction
Processing (XTP) and real-time analytics."

Let's repeat that: The relational approach is no longer sufficient
for "a large class of applications." Seems like Oracle doesn't agree
with the views of some of the more vocal table lovers in comp.object.

Sean

</delurk>

From: topmind on
On Mar 26, 3:20 pm, seanwins...(a)yahoo.com wrote:
> <delurk>
>
> I found the following announcement from Oracle very interesting and
> wanted to share it with the relational weenies here:

Flame Bait: 3...2...1...Launch!

>
> Oracle Buys In Memory Data Grid Leader Tangosol
> (http://www.oracle.com/corporate/press/2007_mar/tangosol.html)
>
> It's particularly interesting because Tangosol does not have a SQL
> interface. Clearly there are some application domains that Oracle
> itself realizes it can't handle.
>
> There are already comments from Oracle employees and users:http://www.dbms2.com/2007/03/25/oracle-tangosol-objects-caching-and-d...http://preferisco.blogspot.com/2007/03/cache-in-bank-oracle-buys-tang...http://patricklogan.blogspot.com/2007/03/meet-new-boss.html
>
> The last one links to a blog with the comment:
> "Oracle's acquisition of Tangosol is one more acquisition in a series
> that indicates Oracle has finally come to the conclusion that the
> relational database is no longer a sufficient infrastructure platform
> for a large class of applications, such as Extreme Transaction
> Processing (XTP) and real-time analytics."
>
> Let's repeat that: The relational approach is no longer sufficient
> for "a large class of applications." Seems like Oracle doesn't agree
> with the views of some of the more vocal table lovers in comp.object.
>

I've never said that RDBMS are the best for everything, but merely
MOST custom business systems.

One should also distinquish between performance issues, implementation-
specific issues, and theory issues. For one, existing RDBMS were
programmed for disk-centric systems. Now that RAM is approaching the
size of larger tables, a different architecture may be needed to take
fuller advantage of it, and Oracle does not have time to overhaul the
*implementation* of their RDBMS. Thus, domain-specific DB's are
quicker to get up to the task.

More details would still be nice.

> Sean
>
> </delurk>

-T-

From: alexandre_paterson on

On Mar 26, 11:20 pm, seanwins...(a)yahoo.com wrote:
....
> Oracle Buys In Memory Data Grid Leader Tangosol
> (http://www.oracle.com/corporate/press/2007_mar/tangosol.html)

Woaw. Nice job Cameron! (the Tangosol founder and CEO).

What is interesting is that Tangosol is, in their own words (which
can be found on Tangosol's website): "Java, pure Java!".

Java.

It really shows a fact: Java has taken the real-world
by storm (Oracle isn't very concerned by anything else
than the real-world)

FedEx (they have more Java developers than Sun), eBay,
GMail, Adwords... And so many others.

And about every single bank (and consumer bank) in the
world is now migrating to Java.

In a way it is good to see to see an "somewhat OO" language
to be so widely used.

Java "the virtual machine" is pretty bullet-proof and very
performant (despite popular belief)... And keeps only getting
faster and faster.

But Java "the language" could have been much better though :-/

Oh well, this is a language the real-world we'll be stuck
with for decades to come (just like there is still COBOL
in production in many banks, there will Java in production
for years and years).

Could have been better. Could have been worse.

Still, it's about RDBMS (Oracle) and Java (Tangosol), what
does comp.object has to do with it !?

I mean, 99% of Java programs out there don't have much
to do with OOP...

;)