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From: Klaas Visser on 17 Jan 2008 16:41
Twayne wrote:
> Twayne <tom(a)twaynesdomain.com> wrote:
> <>
> Windows XP Pro, Pentium 4:
>
> I just uninstalled/reinstalled OOo with AV off, etc., to see if it
> helped some of the problems I've come across. Which reminded me of this
> shortcoming:
>
> Installation does not create any desktop or quicklaunch icons nor does
> it place a shortcut in the Programs folder.
> It's only an annoyance to me, but I suspect others less versed in the
> operating systems, will be confused by it and possibly not know how to
> get their icons or even find their icon targets since, e.g., "writer" is
> "swriter.exe", etc., which was the first thing I searched for.
> IMO it should at least create a Programs entry and a Desktop icon.
> Better, allow the opportunity to create them or not, or at least a
> shortcut for soffice, minimum, during installation.
>
> So, documentation wise, this would make a great entry. If it's already
> there I can't find it, but apologies if I just missed it somehow;
> perhaps it needs to stand out more clearly on the readme files.
> IMO the "s" prefix of the filenames should also be mentioned.
>
> Regards,
>
> Twayne
>
>> As one going through that state at this time, I'd have to agree it
>> would be pretty helpful. A couple of the sticking points for me were:
>> -- Duplicating Word's Insert; Section Break; New Page for example.
>> It's actually easily done in OOo, but when you're coming from Word, it
>> doesn't feel "intuitive" since you think you want to Insert a special
>> kind of Break.
>> -- File selection dialog boxes don't seem to let me switch to a
>> different drive or distant folder. All I have is "UP" one folder or
>> choose from the display. I cna "up" a number of times and get there,
>> but ... .
>>
>> I may take a look at the link given; OOs is well worth supporting if I
>> can actually make some good and as yet unposted comments.
>>
>> Twayne

Strange, my installation into Windows XP Pro, created a folder in the
Start/All Programs menu, with icons for each part of the program
(Writer, Calc, et al) - it's done that for the last two or three
versions, that I've used.

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From: "Twayne" on 18 Jan 2008 12:14
Uwe Fischer <Uwe.Fischer(a)Sun.COM> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Twayne wrote:
>> I just uninstalled/reinstalled OOo with AV off, etc., to see if it
>> helped some of the problems I've come across. Which reminded me of
>> this shortcoming:
>>
>> Installation does not create any desktop or quicklaunch icons nor
>> does it place a shortcut in the Programs folder.
>> It's only an annoyance to me, but I suspect others less versed in
>> the operating systems, will be confused by it and possibly not know
>> how to get their icons or even find their icon targets since, e.g.,
>> "writer" is "swriter.exe", etc., which was the first thing I
>> searched for. IMO it should at least create a Programs entry and
>> a Desktop icon. Better, allow the opportunity to create them or not,
>> or at least a shortcut for soffice, minimum, during installation.
>>
>> So, documentation wise, this would make a great entry. If it's
>> already there I can't find it, but apologies if I just missed it
>> somehow; perhaps it needs to stand out more clearly on the readme
>> files. IMO the "s" prefix of the filenames should also be
>> mentioned.
>
> thank you for sharing your ideas.
> I've heard that even some users never use the Windows Start menu. What
> is not present as an icon on the desktop will not be used.

IME that's a pretty small community of Windows users that 'never' use
the Start Menu. All newbies and neophytes will use it and most users at
least use it occasionally. Since one of the goals is to spread OOo
around for people to learn exists, I'd say the desktop icon is at least
as important too. My opinion at least.

> StarOffice/OpenOffice.org deliberately decided not to insert another
> set of icons to the users' desktops.
> May be we should rethink this at least for Windows?

Again, IMO yes, you should. Or perhaps only create the Office Suite
icon on the desktop. I can see where there might be a worry about
desktop "litter" if each application in the suite had its own icon, but
the main suite icon lets you access any of the components, so as a
minimum, I'd think the suite icon should appear on the desktop.
Also as minimum, I would think a note in a readme or install
instructions should note how/what icons are created and let the user
know he has to create his own if he wants individual application icons.
Best case for Windows IMO would be to give the User the opportunity
to say yay/nae to the iconds/Programs entry during install. In my VB6
applications, I let the user choose whether to create all 3 (desktop,
quicklanuch and Programs) plus an opportunity to include the Uninstaller
in the Programs menu.
Quicklaunch could probably be skipped as least important of the
three, IMO.
>
> Most other Windows setup programs offer a choice like "[x] Show
> Readme" on the last screen of the setup.

That would work too, in some cases but it's human nature to skip that
readme for a lot of people. However, if the information was there, at
least it would have been stated and would be available for later
perusal.
>
> Most other Windows setup programs offer a choice like "[x] Launch
> Program" on the last screen of the setup. (Well, this would not help
> much for the next time you want to start OOo)

They do, but personally I don't care for that. I've had users start my
programs, like it, and then not be able to figure out how to start it
again. That's when I started adding the choices about creating the
icons/Programs entry or not.
>
> Many programs offer a Welcome screen at first launch, giving the
> first-time user some directions and links. OOo on Linux only shows a
> gray desert.

Hmm, probably handy, but not for the subject here; you can't get to that
screen if you don't know what to click on to get the program started<g>.
>
> That filename confusion should also be addressed.

Definitely. The prefix does do one great thing; it groups the
components in a file list so they're easier to find, but ... upon first
encounter, it's a "what's that?" It'd be an easy thing to cover off.

Even if somewhere it just said in print, "I don't do icons; you'll have
to roll your own" woucl have helped me.

I have 2 converts to OOo so far, BTW; feels good being the guru I'm not;
not that I'm telling them that, of course<g>.

Regards,

Twayne

>
> Uwe





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