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From: Kurt R. on 26 Dec 2007 15:43 Steven, Thank you very much for the reply. > When you ask "why this way" , I assume you mean technically (as opposed > to commercially/politically) . Yes, technically. Basically the ideal overview will state what a certain solution actually accomplished and what it was lacking that precipitated the creation of the next one. I'm also interested in seeing where this lineage brings us today: web services, java beans, .NET <something>... I still earn my living in the procedural modal (non-GUI) world but these days are officially numbered so I want to learn the fundamentals of the object / component world before studying the exact "how to" scenarios for a particular language platform.
From: S Perryman on 27 Dec 2007 14:35 Kurt R. wrote: SP>When you ask "why this way" , I assume you mean technically (as opposed SP>to commercially/politically) . > Yes, technically. Basically the ideal overview will state what a > certain solution actually accomplished and what it was lacking that > precipitated the creation of the next one. Not sure you will get the answers in the sources I cited. > I'm also interested in seeing where this lineage brings us today: web > services, java beans, .NET <something>... Not very far. :-) Things like web services, SOAP, SOA etc are merely the current favoured impl technologies (engineering viewpoints in ODP speak) for concepts (service interface definition, service registration/discovery/invocation etc) . That is the way of the world. > I still earn my living in the procedural modal (non-GUI) world but > these days are officially numbered Theres' a big world out there that is "non-GUI" and "procedural" , whose days are far from numbered (IMHO) . > so I want to learn the fundamentals > of the object / component world before studying the exact "how to" > scenarios for a particular language platform. You should be able to learn the fundamentals without needing to consider distributed systems. Regards, Steven Perryman
From: topmind on 31 Dec 2007 23:48 On Dec 21, 8:20 am, S Perryman <q...(a)q.com> wrote: > topmind wrote: > > On Dec 20, 12:29 pm, "Kurt R." <pm...(a)netscape.net> wrote: > >>I'm looking for a good book (or books) that describe the evolution of > >>distributed objects / object automation, including OLE, Active X, COM/ > >>DCOM, CORBA(?) and whatever else relevant. I'm a professional > >>programmer but looking not for a "how to" manual but rather a "why > >>this way" story. > >>Any recommendations? TIA > > The "why"? There is NO scientific evidence for OOP. > > On your way, you non english-understanding comp.object muppet. > > [ your usual muppet rant snipped ... ] Typical: no substance, just personal insults. At least my "rants" talk about the topic. -T- oop.ismad.com
From: S Perryman on 1 Jan 2008 05:22 topmind wrote: > On Dec 21, 8:20 am, S Perryman <q...(a)q.com> wrote: KR>I'm looking for a good book (or books) that describe the evolution of KR>distributed objects / object automation, including OLE, Active X, COM/ KR>DCOM, CORBA(?) and whatever else relevant. I'm a professional KR>programmer but looking not for a "how to" manual but rather a "why KR>this way" story. RK>Any recommendations? TIA Call this #1. TM>The "why"? There is NO scientific evidence for OOP. Call this #2. >>On your way, you non english-understanding comp.object muppet. >>[ your usual muppet rant snipped ... ] > Typical: no substance, just personal insults. > At least my "rants" talk about the topic. From #2, we see a rant about there being no "scientific evidence" for OOP. From #1, we see that the OP is asking for books etc describing distributed object systems (forms, evolution, why they are how they are etc) . But *nothing* about asking for "scientific evidence" of any kind. You are ranting about something completely unrelated (surprise surprise) to the OPs' request. You have not even cited any source material related to the OPs' request. Off-topic. No help whatsoever. QED. On your way, you non english-understanding comp.object muppet (+1) ...
From: krasicki on 15 Jan 2008 13:53
On Dec 20 2007, 3:29 pm, "Kurt R." <pm...(a)netscape.net> wrote: > I'm looking for a good book (or books) that describe the evolution of > distributed objects / object automation, including OLE, Active X, COM/ > DCOM, CORBA(?) and whatever else relevant. I'm a professional > programmer but looking not for a "how to" manual but rather a "why > this way" story. > > Any recommendations? TIA The Microsoft Systems Journal which was a subscription magazine that included numerous articles of how the Microsoft code base came together would be a good reference as well (say, 1988 - 1995). Once Java kicks in about 1995, Microsoft's contribution to the OO world begins to ebb and fade. In the old days some AT&T softwrae engineers also evaluated CORBA, OLE, and some of the server middleware of the period and had some nice write-ups. Not sure how much of that survived the past decade or so. It used to be online on the research pages, I think. Some of the research firm reports are probably collectable as well (Gantner, et al) for overviews of specific technologies including OO. You'll have to search EBay or something of the sort to find them though. - krasicki |