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From: Phil Allison on 19 Jul 2008 06:54

"DougD"
>
> Because of the insurance, laser techs have to have retinal scans on
> pre-hiring so you know how "damaged" the person is prior to putting
> them out on the road, and these scan's get pretty ugly. In my case,
> the worst one I got was from actually wearing safety goggles, and not
> because they were needed, but because they were mandated by law,
> so that's kinda why I got a bug about folks trying to enforce common
> sense.. I suspect that if the lawyers in Russia don't get their hands
> on the victim's of this accident,


** AFAIK the former USSR is still not a "common law" country - which
means it just is not possible for any citizen to sue another ( or any
organization or the government) for cash damages because of negligence
causing them injury.

Folk there are covered by a " cradle to grave " form of social welfare ( be
it ever so pathetic) and since they have no right to sue, this is what will
now kick in for victims of such an accident.

The * PROBLEM * is of course, that the culprits have no financial incentive
to take reasonable precautions to prevent bodily injury etc to others - as
they do in most of the civilised world.

Citizens are all regarded as expendable in Russia - have been for
centuries.

Don't ask me to live there ......





...... Phil





From: DougD on 19 Jul 2008 09:33
In article <6edvg3F6m3evU1(a)mid.individual.net>, "Phil Allison" <philallison(a)tpg.com.au> wrote:

>** AFAIK the former USSR is still not a "common law" country - which
>means it just is not possible for any citizen to sue another ( or any
>organization or the government) for cash damages because of negligence
>causing them injury.
>
>Folk there are covered by a " cradle to grave " form of social welfare ( be
>it ever so pathetic) and since they have no right to sue, this is what will
>now kick in for victims of such an accident.
>
>The * PROBLEM * is of course, that the culprits have no financial incentive
>to take reasonable precautions to prevent bodily injury etc to others - as
>they do in most of the civilised world.
>
>Citizens are all regarded as expendable in Russia - have been for
>centuries.
>
>Don't ask me to live there ......

Well, I can't claim any knowledge of their laws, or lack of there, however
I do know that there IS a lawsuit against the city of Moscow for $7mil
by the victims of that theater siege by Chechen's a few years back.
And the plaintiff's are all Russian, so it appears that there is some
mechanism where it seems that the govt. or govt. at the city level
can be sued for negligence. Which is what I suspect that the "victims"
of the laser display would probably try for. And when I was living and
working in Prague when it was still communist, there was a huge
lawsuit against the agency of the govt. that was in charge of the
privitization schemes where a lot of the citizens found themselves
being ripped off of their "shares" that had been issued in liue of
cash to be used to purchase shares of govt. companies that were
being turned into public companies. So, at least in CZ in the late
80's/early 90's had some sort of mechanism to sue, again, govt.
and it's agents for damages. And as soon as the cut was made
from communism in about 91, it was a whole new ballgame with
lawyers coming over by the planeload to start wrangling the new
county into something "Western"..
In just about every non-western country, the citizens have always
seemed to be expendable by our standards. I.e. I was in S. Korea
for all of 93 working at the Science Expo in Taejon, and we were
having an average of one death per week on the site from
industrial accidents, mostly cheap scaffolding collapsing, etc.
There was never a thought of suing anyone, and there were 10
folks waiting in line to take the place of the one person that
was killed. A very sad state of affairs in a supposedly "modern"
country.. On the other hand, I was not allowed to take a sick day
on a large project there for Universal Studios. It was ok for me
to "go out of town" for the day, but reporting in sick meant
having the whole site shut down to investigate!! Those Wacky
Japanese!!

d.
From: Joe Kotroczo on 19 Jul 2008 16:47
On 18/07/08 22:26, in article
8rudnS5Oh6PEYR3VnZ2dnUVZ_h_inZ2d(a)supernews.com, "DougD" <me(a)here.com> wrote:

(...)
> I'm not here to start anything, but that statement about not being able to
> "turn down" a laser is just not true. Almost all lasers have at least a basic
> current control, and in the case of display lasers, most are modulated
> through AO devices which can control power from 0-100%. And even
> in the most basic schemes, there are mechanical shutters which can
> be used to attenuate the output. So, even if they were using a 40 watt
> freq. doubled YAG which is popular these days, you can still limit
> the output to about 1 watt which is fairly typical for a indoor venue.

Sorry didn't know that.


--
Joe Kotroczo kotroczo(a)mac.com

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