Prev: Getting the name of the file that imported current module
Next: VICIOUS Enemy Insurgents kill 34 US soldiers after 9 hrs attack - Bellies ripped open and numerous injured - call for TRUE PATRIOTS . The deep undercover spies mislead the public on the facts
From: CM on 4 Jul 2010 21:20 On Jul 4, 7:14 pm, Terry Reedy <tjre...(a)udel.edu> wrote: > I think there's a good point to Python 3 put-downs (if I take put-down to mean generally reasonable criticism, which is what I've read here recently, and not trolling). And that is simply to register dissent. Any online group is an opportunity to register dissent in a way that is public, open, immediate, interactive, and will (probably) be preserved for historians to check. The fact is, some people have gripes with Python 3; they are letting it be known. If no one did, there could be no later time at which people could look back and know what the reaction was to its introduction--it would just be a blank. Aren't opinions that dissent from the prevailing ones important to register, whether one thinks they are right or wrong? Che
From: Antoine Pitrou on 5 Jul 2010 03:28 On Sun, 4 Jul 2010 18:20:38 -0700 (PDT) CM <cmpython(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Any online group is an opportunity to register dissent in a way that > is public, open, immediate, interactive, and will (probably) be > preserved for historians to check. The fact is, some people have > gripes with Python 3; they are letting it be known. If no one did, > there could be no later time at which people could look back and know > what the reaction was to its introduction--it would just be a blank. > Aren't opinions that dissent from the prevailing ones important to > register, whether one thinks they are right or wrong? Sure. As long as you don't record the same dissent from the same person ten times in a row. Then it becomes trolling.
From: Gregor Horvath on 5 Jul 2010 03:50 Am Sun, 04 Jul 2010 18:51:54 -0500 schrieb Tim Chase <python.list(a)tim.thechases.com>: > I think it's the same venting of frustration that caused veteran > VB6 developers to start calling VB.Net "Visual Fred" -- the > language was too different and too non-backwards-compatible. > VB6 -> VB.NET and Python 2 -> 3 is not a valid comparison. VB6 and VB.NET are totally different languages and technologies, with some similarity in syntax. This is not true for Python 2->3. This is an healthy organic language growth, not an abandon of a language. -- Greg
From: Roy Smith on 5 Jul 2010 09:51 In article <mailman.247.1278309447.1673.python-list(a)python.org>, Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed(a)ix.netcom.com> wrote: > On Sun, 04 Jul 2010 20:05:03 -0400, Roy Smith <roy(a)panix.com> declaimed > the following in gmane.comp.python.general: > > > In article <mailman.238.1278287528.1673.python-list(a)python.org>, > > Tim Chase <python.list(a)tim.thechases.com> wrote: > > > > > I've often wondered if changing the name of the language (such as > > > "Adder", "Served", "Dwarf" or "Fawlty" for the Britcom fans in > > > the crowd) would have mitigated some of the more vituperative > > > slurs on what became Py3, designating a shared legacy without the > > > expectation of 100% backwards-compatibility. > > > > Maybe it should have been "Python five, no, THREE!" > > But Adder works on two levels... The BritCom, and the serpentine... Not to mention that the same main characters show up in each version :-)
From: Terry Reedy on 5 Jul 2010 14:33 On 7/4/2010 9:20 PM, CM wrote: > On Jul 4, 7:14 pm, Terry Reedy<tjre...(a)udel.edu> wrote: >> > > I think there's a good point to Python 3 put-downs (if I take put-down > to mean generally reasonable criticism, which is what I've read here > recently, and not trolling). And that is simply to register > dissent. But dissent from what? Dissent from something obviously true? (like 'Pythonx.y is useful to some people') Dissent from something obvious false, that no one has said? (like 'Everyone should switch to Pythonx.y') > Any online group is an opportunity to register dissent in a way that > is public, open, immediate, interactive, and will (probably) be > preserved for historians to check. The fact is, some people have > gripes with Python 3; they are letting it be known. I have several 'gripes' with 2.7 and it is currently useless to me. Should I let them be known? How many times? > If no one did, > there could be no later time at which people could look back and know > what the reaction was to its introduction--it would just be a blank. > Aren't opinions that dissent from the prevailing ones important to > register, whether one thinks they are right or wrong? Do you agree with me that the same criteria for gripe legitimacy should be applied equally to all Python versions (even if we should disagree on what those criteria should be)? -- Terry Jan Reedy
First
|
Prev
|
Next
|
Last
Pages: 1 2 3 Prev: Getting the name of the file that imported current module Next: VICIOUS Enemy Insurgents kill 34 US soldiers after 9 hrs attack - Bellies ripped open and numerous injured - call for TRUE PATRIOTS . The deep undercover spies mislead the public on the facts |