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From: h_p_48 on 20 Jan 2008 08:04
4 years, a long time in the tech industrie...
We've seen big changes in technology. A phone is no longer a phone,
look at any 2004 model versus the new iPhone now. Or the "Free your
Phone" project of OpenMoko (http://www.openmoko.org/). But a HP
calculator is still a HP calculator. Ok, the HP 50g has an ok
keyboard now.....But no wow effect. Have we missed an opportunity
with the Qonos project? What do you expect for the future?

From: Dueño de Monte on 20 Jan 2008 09:41
> A phone is no longer a phone,...
> ... But a HP calculator is still a HP calculator....
> ... no wow effect....

You know, my HP50G/49G+ still gives me a "wow effect " every other
day ! .... it is still growing... in performance, software,
applications and, maybe soon, the serial port will give us much more
than we expect !

What I do today with this machines has nothing you can compare with
what I did with them 4 years ago ! Now I do 10 times different things
on them! and has not found an end or a practical limit on them.

Why should I look for a new book to read if I have not finish the
interesting one that I have ! Why should I look for a new car, if the
one that I still have can take me wherever I NEED to ! Why should I
look for a new number/data crunching machine if the one that I have do
all I need very well and gets better easily every day ?

> Have we missed an opportunity with the Qonos project?

Maybe the time for Qonos has not arrive ! A lot people knew about
petroleoum for many years and they did not think the petroleoum was
usefull until some people found they could use it for combustion
mottors and help them in many ways, now there are lots of populations
that can not live without it becuase fill up must of their needs.

What are the needs not being filled that requires the Qonos ? Maybe
are there aplications being more and more big and complex for data/
number crunching that requires more processing speed, memory, a much
better/faster O.System, etc. without loosing the simplicity help of a
simple addition? I don´t know about them.

> What do you expect for the future?

Future does not exist !

You build it every day with what you do ! Are you doing all you want,
require or expect to do ? I am, really I am doing much more than I
expected 4 years ago, and HP49g+/50G has a lot on it !

So for the near future I expect to see the HP49g+/50g grow, just like
it has being doing in the last years, with a "wow" effect every other
day !

Daniel.
From: timite_h on 21 Jan 2008 06:59
I think that HP is still missing an opportunity with the QONOS.
And yes there haven't been big changes in calculator technology
besides from Casio and TI,however both didn't go as far as they could
have.
Though as the TI-NSpire is a work in progress,it could quickly become
far more powerful than it currently is and could then be improved on a
regular basis.
However it is obvious that the TI-NSpire a students only solution,thus
TI can't go too far because they have to keep the price affordable and
because they certainly don't want to introduce features useless for
their main target.
For a solution targeting both students and engineers such as the
HP50G,HP can go as far as they wish and then release a restricted
version for students and a full version for engineering students and
engineers.
However to even expect to be successful,a true HP50G successor(not an
incremental improvement) has to be a radical improvement compared to
the HP50G and i guess that this what HP is not willing to do.
By radical improvement i mean at least:
From the hardware point of view:
-----------------------------------------------
*A significantly more powerful C.P.U
*A high resolution screen with at least grayscale levels
*Much more built-in RAM and Flash ROM
*Optional Rechargeable battery
*Advanced I/O capabilities with support for external keyboard,screen
or even mouse like devices

From the software point of view:
----------------------------------------------
*New O.S which is not an emulator of the HP49G
*Lightning fast U.I with eye candy G.U.I
*Both HP48 and HP49 emulators as mere applications running on the new
O.S and faster than the HP50G
*Multitasking
*Extremely advanced 2D and 3D graphing capabilities far more advanced
than everyting which has been implemented on a calculator to date
*XCAS as C.A.S

N.B: Some features could be removed from the student version (Advanced
I/O capabilites,expansion slots,less RAM and less built-in storage
memory) to reduce cost.

What really matters is that the product is much more reactive and more
productive than the HP50G, is not outrageously expensive especially
for student and has capabilities that simply blow away any potential
customer.Outstanding U.I and incredible graphing capabilities are the
easiest way to achieve that.The other more advanced capabilities will
help to sustain the user interest once the initial "wow" effect wear
off.
Though i currently expect much more something like that from Casio or
from TI(for the student market) than from HP.


On 20 jan, 13:04, h_p_48 <h_p...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
> 4 years, a long time in the tech industrie...
> We've seen big changes in technology.  A phone is no longer a phone,
> look at any 2004  model versus the new iPhone now.  Or the "Free your
> Phone" project of OpenMoko (http://www.openmoko.org/). But a HP
> calculator is still a HP calculator.  Ok, the HP 50g has an ok
> keyboard now.....But no wow effect.  Have we missed an opportunity
> with the Qonos project?  What do you expect for the future?

From: Joel Koltner on 21 Jan 2008 13:16
"h_p_48" <h_p_48(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:fd166a82-e1aa-4bf9-8fa7-0741f721cdf7(a)q77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> Have we missed an opportunity
> with the Qonos project? What do you expect for the future?

As far as I can tell, Qonos died because it became clear that the cost for the
initial production run was going to be some six digit figure and they were
unable or unwilling to spend that much for a somewhat risky product. It's a
good example of how it's (relativley) cheap and easy to come up with a
prototype board, software, and some 3D models to demonstrate a really cool new
product idea, but actually moving it into production is much more expensive
than the average person realizes.

Jeremy Smith has spent a lot of time and his own money trying to figure out
how to make decent-looking/production-worthy cases for halfway reasonable sums
of money, and last I heard it was still an ongoing effort.

Even HP themselves worries about this -- the HP-12C has kept the same case
while going through something like 3 or 4 completely different PCBs
internally, several using completely different CPUs.


From: parisse on 21 Jan 2008 14:53
> From the hardware point of view:
> -----------------------------------------------
> *A significantly more powerful C.P.U
> *A high resolution screen with at least grayscale levels
> *Much more built-in RAM and Flash ROM
> *Optional Rechargeable battery
> *Advanced I/O capabilities with support for external keyboard,screen
> or even mouse like devices
>
> From the software point of view:
> ----------------------------------------------
> *New O.S which is not an emulator of the HP49G
> *Lightning fast U.I with eye candy G.U.I
> *Both HP48 and HP49 emulators as mere applications running on the new
> O.S and faster than the HP50G
> *Multitasking
> *Extremely advanced 2D and 3D graphing capabilities far more advanced
> than everyting which has been implemented on a calculator to date
> *XCAS as C.A.S
>

I do believe that the asus eee pc (which should be available
next Wednesday here in France) should fullfill most of these
expectations for 299 euros, not that expensive when compared
to a HP50G or a TI Nspire (I've been told that the linux
xcas version runs on it out of the box as will probably
many other linux scientific softwares). It will most probably
be followed by other hardware constructors with
similar models. The only drawback I see is the battery life
and the absence of a dedicated scientific keyboard, but
there are so many advantages over simple calculators...
Maybe the end of high-end calculators!
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