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From: Osher Doctorow on 7 Aug 2010 23:29
From Osher Doctorow

I do not recall a time in history when scientists or mathematicians
were asked to accept as many unspecified "new dimensions" (at least 6
out of the 10 of Superstring Theory, most of the Supersymmetric
Dimensions) without looking for simple physical interpretations. It
is undoubtedly out of fashion to interpret or simplify "Academically
popular theories" in the USA, which may be why the USA in terms of
ranking in Inventive Research proportionately in arXiv and Front for
the Mathematics ArXiv since 1991 in my readings of the papers ranks
far behind U.K., Italy, Germany, Switzerland, Denmark, Greece, Poland,
Czech Republic, Netherlands, Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, Israel,
India, Brazil, Australia. Even Canada is arguably ahead of the USA,
and several other nations.

The Educational Systems of the USA, U.K., Germany (or Prussia), France
might theoretically seem similar, but they are not. Even at the time
that the USA began, at The American Revolution in the late 1700s, U.K.
Education was already one of the flowers of the Renaissance and its
aftermaths, as well as German/Prussian and French Education. The USA
did not focus on Inventiveness in Education for a long time after its
Revolution, while the U.K. did.

Here is what happened (under "Lessons of History", if you want a
category):

1) The USA developed "Special Favors for Minorities" as a key
criterion of its Educational System, unlike U.K., Germany/Prussia,
France. Teaching and Inventive Research quality tended to go down,
and they are still way behind the other nations mentioned.

2) France put "too much wine" in its Educational System, in line with
its Power-Crazy history of first Absolute Monarchy and then Absolute
Dictatorship (French Revolution) followed by wild swings back and
forth. They still have not quite recovered, although Alain Connes
and collaborators are coming close.

3) Germany/Prussia maintained an Educational System parallel to that
of the U.K., although its tendency to Worship Authority arguably
spilled over into Worship of German/Austrian Physics Theories
(Einstein's, Schrodinger's, Heisenberg's, etc.) which however has
somewhat diminshed and so kept Germany's Educational System almost as
good as the U.K.'s in recent years.

4) The USA focus on Wealth or Hedonism with Wealth a prominent part of
the latter resulted in a tendency of "Inventions" to merely speed up
Hedonism, to speed up the flow of words without increasing depth of
meanings and depth of relationships between words. Computers
especially basically sped up Duncification - we can now get text
messages at the Garbage Dump, which is about as far as most of us in
the USA can "vacation" each year thanks to Economic Crimes. I remind
naive readers of Sir Roger Penrose's warnings regarding computers.

Osher Doctorow
From: Osher Doctorow on 7 Aug 2010 23:44
From Osher Doctorow

I forgot to discuss Italy, which has an Educational System similar to
that of the U.K. and Germany.

Should not the Fall of Rome in Ancient Times have turned Italy into a
permanently "Barbaric" nation? Not more than it turned the U.K. (or
what later became the U.K.) into that. In the Dark Ages, all of
Europe was convulsed with Ignorance, Disease, Poverty, Violence. The
Catholic Church fought this and developed the Italian Renaissance, and
the latter spread like wildfire across Europe. Due to that
Renaissance and arguably the Reformation and Counter-Reformation
afterward, the Inventiveness of the U.K., Germany, Switzerland,
Denmark, Italy, Greece, Poland, Czech Republic, Netherlands (slightly
less) have reached its great heights.

Italy basically can be described as "losing interest in Politics".
This is a good lesson for once-upon-a-time Superpowers. After a
while, perhaps a very long while, people may simply lose interest and
regard Politics as just another form of Crime - which, in some ways,
it is! Shakespeare's "Kill the Lawyers" were words to that effect.
By the way, Shakespeare was a Catholic, although to admit that in his
time in the U.K. would have been suicidal. Look up his biography and
especially the fact that his father was Catholic; his mother's
religion was presumably the same. Not long after Shakespeare passed
away, the late 1600s Acts of Parliament turning the U.K. into a
Parliamentary Democracy were accomplished. That was about 100 years
before France's ill-fated "French Revolution" which turned out to be a
Plurality-obsessed (at least outwardly!) version of Absolute
Dictatorship.

Osher Doctorow
From: Sherman Forte on 9 Aug 2010 15:09

"Osher Doctorow" <osherdoctorow87(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
news:5fe43b0a-f662-4718-973f-335e5249538e(a)f6g2000pro.googlegroups.com...
> From Osher Doctorow
>
> I forgot to discuss Italy, which has an Educational System similar to
> that of the U.K. and Germany.

nope, they teach itialian in Itally.


> Should not the Fall of Rome in Ancient Times have turned Italy into a
> permanently "Barbaric" nation?

no, Rome was barbaric, then fell, or diminished or lost out.



> Not more than it turned the U.K. (or
> what later became the U.K.) into that. In the Dark Ages, all of
> Europe was convulsed with Ignorance, Disease, Poverty, Violence.

no, you are imposting modern day values on the far past.


>The
> Catholic Church fought this and developed the Italian Renaissance, and
> the latter spread like wildfire across Europe. Due to that
> Renaissance and arguably the Reformation and Counter-Reformation
> afterward, the Inventiveness of the U.K., Germany, Switzerland,
> Denmark, Italy, Greece, Poland, Czech Republic, Netherlands (slightly
> less) have reached its great heights.

no, they turned into socialist pigs.


>
> Italy basically can be described as "losing interest in Politics".

no, you havent lived there, everyone is political.

> This is a good lesson for once-upon-a-time Superpowers. After a
> while, perhaps a very long while, people may simply lose interest and
> regard Politics as just another form of Crime - which, in some ways,
> it is! Shakespeare's "Kill the Lawyers" were words to that effect.
> By the way, Shakespeare was a Catholic, although to admit that in his
> time in the U.K. would have been suicidal. Look up his biography and
> especially the fact that his father was Catholic; his mother's
> religion was presumably the same. Not long after Shakespeare passed
> away, the late 1600s Acts of Parliament turning the U.K. into a
> Parliamentary Democracy were accomplished. That was about 100 years
> before France's ill-fated "French Revolution" which turned out to be a
> Plurality-obsessed (at least outwardly!) version of Absolute
> Dictatorship.

you really should look all this up on the wiki first, just to make sure.



>
> Osher Doctorow


From: Osher Doctorow on 9 Aug 2010 19:33
From Osher Doctorow

Been there, done that. Also my wife's uncle was Italian. We've had
Italian friends on and off for at least 40 years. The current regime
in Italy is Conservative or Conservative-coalition. In any country,
if you go to the wrong city or wrong part of a city (in some assumed
sense of wrong politically), one would swear that was in a different
country. The U.S. News Mafia's claims about Rome being a "gigolo
city", for example, are based on some behavior near an airport or
train station in Rome. Yes, there is a big continent of Socialists in
Italy - almost as many as in San Francisco and Hollywood and a few
other places in the USA.

Italy's contributions to math and physics and other quantitative
fields can't be overstated. They're enormous. Leonardo, Ricci, Levi-
Civita, Fermi, the proportionately much larger contribution to papers
in arXiv compared to Italy's size since 1991, and the same for their
really Inventive rather than Imitative papers there, etc.

Osher Doctorow

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