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From: Simon Dean on 9 Apr 2007 13:41 Damn it. damn it and everything it stands for. I understand that it doesn't use "bleeding edge" technology because it's still fresh, but I mean, the printing interface, aka, CUPS, is like a few years old at least. Cya Simon
From: Jan Gerrit Kootstra on 10 Apr 2007 01:35 Simon Dean wrote: > Damn it. damn it and everything it stands for. I understand that it > doesn't use "bleeding edge" technology because it's still fresh, but I > mean, the printing interface, aka, CUPS, is like a few years old at least. > > Cya > Simon Simon, If you want to critizes a product this way, talk about RHEL5. You critizes a 2 years old product. Best regards, Jan Gerrit
From: General Schvantzkoph on 11 Apr 2007 10:03 On Mon, 09 Apr 2007 18:41:50 +0100, Simon Dean wrote: > Damn it. damn it and everything it stands for. I understand that it > doesn't use "bleeding edge" technology because it's still fresh, but I > mean, the printing interface, aka, CUPS, is like a few years old at > least. > > Cya > Simon RHEL starts life slightly obsolete and then stays frozen in time for ever,for example RHEL 5 which came out a few weeks ago is using the 2.6.18 kernel, FC6 is using the 2.6.20 kernel. The only updates to RHEL are bug and security patches, a particular release never gets better. If you want an up to date distro use Fedora Core or Ubuntu. RHEL 5 is probably usable because it's close to FC5/FC6, I can't say for sure until the CentOS of SL versions come out and I try it myself. RHEL 4 is basically FC2/FC3 which was nice in it's day but seems awfully crude and bug ridden by the standards of FC6. Also you'll have a lot more hardware compatibility issues with RHEL because of it's use of obsolete kernels. The Ethernet controllers and PATA controllers on the Core2 motherboards need 2.6.19 kernels or better, RHEL 5 uses 2.6.18. When I put SL 4.4 onto my several year old A64 notebook I had to compile a modern kernel myself in order to make the notebook work because the 2.6.9 kernel in RHEL 4.4 lacked working drivers for the Nforce 3-150 chipset in the notebook. I mostly use FC6, I keep a RHEL clone on some older hardware so that I can use some commercial software that doesn't work completely on FC6.
From: Dan Espen on 11 Apr 2007 11:09 General Schvantzkoph <schvantzkoph(a)yahoo.com> writes: > On Mon, 09 Apr 2007 18:41:50 +0100, Simon Dean wrote: > >> Damn it. damn it and everything it stands for. I understand that it >> doesn't use "bleeding edge" technology because it's still fresh, but I >> mean, the printing interface, aka, CUPS, is like a few years old at >> least. >> >> Cya >> Simon > > RHEL starts life slightly obsolete and then stays frozen in time for > ever, We have a RH4 subscription on one of our work machines. I get so many notices of updates from RH that I had to put the specific subject line in my SPAM filter. Instead of reading the emails, I just go onto the machine every few weeks and apply all the updates. They may not be applying the latest and greatest but I get a lot of updates.
From: General Schvantzkoph on 11 Apr 2007 13:05
On Wed, 11 Apr 2007 11:09:42 -0400, Dan Espen wrote: > General Schvantzkoph <schvantzkoph(a)yahoo.com> writes: > >> On Mon, 09 Apr 2007 18:41:50 +0100, Simon Dean wrote: >> >>> Damn it. damn it and everything it stands for. I understand that it >>> doesn't use "bleeding edge" technology because it's still fresh, but I >>> mean, the printing interface, aka, CUPS, is like a few years old at >>> least. >>> >>> Cya >>> Simon >> >> RHEL starts life slightly obsolete and then stays frozen in time for >> ever, > > We have a RH4 subscription on one of our work machines. > > I get so many notices of updates from RH that I had to put the specific > subject line in my SPAM filter. > > Instead of reading the emails, I just go onto the machine every few > weeks and apply all the updates. They may not be applying the latest and > greatest but I get a lot of updates. Just curious because I've only used the clones and not the the official product, do they give you an option to use later kernels or some other mechanism to get new drivers. With SL 4.4 there were security patches but no real improvements or even fixes for things that are really broken. For example when I boot SL 4.4 on my laptop Kudzu always wants to configure new hardware. What's worse if you touch the keyboard while it's in that phase the mouse won't work after the machine is up. This is a problem that existed in FC3 but has been fixed since FC4. Also the 2.6.9 kernel lacked working drivers for the Ethernet controllers, I fixed that by building a 2.6.18.6 kernel for the box. However I can't imagine that anyone who is a real RHEL user would want to do that because it defeats the purpose of having a proven platform. Does Redhat have a mechanism for deal with these kinds of problems? |