Rant: Microsoft madness
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From: Blinky the Shark on 7 May 2008 04:23 DuncanIdaho wrote: > rf wrote: >> DuncanIdaho <Duncan.Idaho2008(a)googlemail.com> wrote in news:V6- >> dnYCgE6lrz73VRVnyggA(a)bt.com: >> >>> Hello >>> >>> I wanted to use Cascading Stylesheets as widely as possible. >>> Firefox and Opera (almost invariably) render my style code in the same >>> way. Internet Explorer is ALWAYS the exception. Dissapearing <div>s non >>> appearing padding/margins, divs that don't expand when they are supposed >>> to or do expand when they are not supposed to ... I could go on but >>> there seems little point. >> >> Let me guess: you are running the browsers in quirks mode, aren't you? >> > > Not sure what you mean by 'quirks mode' http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/quirks-mode.html -- Blinky Killing all posts from Google Groups The Usenet Improvement Project: http://improve-usenet.org NEW --> Now evaluating a GG-free news feed: http://usenet4all.se
From: DuncanIdaho on 7 May 2008 04:43 Blinky the Shark wrote: > DuncanIdaho wrote: > >> rf wrote: >>> DuncanIdaho <Duncan.Idaho2008(a)googlemail.com> wrote in news:V6- >>> dnYCgE6lrz73VRVnyggA(a)bt.com: >>> >>>> Hello >>>> >>>> I wanted to use Cascading Stylesheets as widely as possible. >>>> Firefox and Opera (almost invariably) render my style code in the same >>>> way. Internet Explorer is ALWAYS the exception. Dissapearing <div>s non >>>> appearing padding/margins, divs that don't expand when they are supposed >>>> to or do expand when they are not supposed to ... I could go on but >>>> there seems little point. >>> Let me guess: you are running the browsers in quirks mode, aren't you? >>> >> Not sure what you mean by 'quirks mode' > > http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/quirks-mode.html > > Thanks for the link, interesting, OK, but this is not the issue then as I have a doctype declaration right at the head of the doc. Er well actually the document states "Moreover, put the doctype declaration at the very start, since some browsers go to Quirks Mode, if there is anything (even a comment) before it... " Well actually I have <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?> So I removed it and tried and it doesn't seem to make any difference, certainly not to the dynamic style application thing. Hmmmm Idaho
From: rf on 7 May 2008 06:56 DuncanIdaho <Duncan.Idaho2008(a)googlemail.com> wrote in news:DLednSzGep-e-7zVRVnyjgA(a)bt.com: > rf wrote: >> DuncanIdaho <Duncan.Idaho2008(a)googlemail.com> wrote in news:V6- >> dnYCgE6lrz73VRVnyggA(a)bt.com: >> >>> Hello >>> >>> I wanted to use Cascading Stylesheets as widely as possible. >>> Firefox and Opera (almost invariably) render my style code in the >>> same way. Internet Explorer is ALWAYS the exception. Dissapearing >>> <div>s non appearing padding/margins, divs that don't expand when >>> they are supposed to or do expand when they are not supposed to ... >>> I could go on but there seems little point. >> >> Let me guess: you are running the browsers in quirks mode, aren't >> you? >> > > Not sure what you mean by 'quirks mode' Then bloody google for it. You will find three hundred and seventy three thousand references to it. > I have this > > <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?> The above line puts IE into quirks mode. Anything at all, even a comment, before the doctype puts IE into quirks mode. This is one of the reasons you should not use XHTML, apart from the fact that IE simply does not understand it, unless you serve it up as text/html and rely on IE error correcting it correctly back to HTML. <snip irrelevant stuff> Run IE in standards mode and see if your other problems go away too. -- Richard Killing all google groups posts The Usenet Improvement Project: http://improve-usenet.org
From: rf on 7 May 2008 06:59 DuncanIdaho <Duncan.Idaho2008(a)googlemail.com> wrote in news:2MSdnT_6yqp89rzVnZ2dnUVZ8qOknZ2d(a)bt.com: > Blinky the Shark wrote: >> DuncanIdaho wrote: >> >>> Not sure what you mean by 'quirks mode' >> >> http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/quirks-mode.html >> >> > > Thanks for the link, interesting, OK, but this is not the issue then > as I have a doctype declaration right at the head of the doc. > > Er well actually the document states > > "Moreover, put the doctype declaration at the very start, since some > browsers go to Quirks Mode, if there is anything (even a comment) > before it... " > > Well actually I have > <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?> Sorry, didn't read the whole thread before my prior reply. It is now time for you provide a URL to this page that is giving your problems. -- Richard Killing all google groups posts The Usenet Improvement Project: http://improve-usenet.org
From: Beauregard T. Shagnasty on 7 May 2008 07:48 DuncanIdaho wrote: > Not sure what you mean by 'quirks mode' > > I have this > > <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?> > <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN" > "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd"> > <html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"> > > Is that what you mean ? Have a look at this, please: http://tekrider.net/html/doctype.php > Anyway, I'm not convinced by all this error handling stuff. Please be convinced! -- -bts -Friends don't let friends drive Windows
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